August 1, 2018
Archie - If indeed that's the employee timetable that the conductor is holding, then the location has to be St. Joe. The PZ exhibited in Atchison in 1934, some four years prior to Timetable No. 50 being issued in 1938. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 8/1/2018 3:43:14 PM Central Standard Time, klinerarch@charter.net writes:
Bill, that may well be the same ETT he is holding in his hand, you can see a 5 on it
Louis,
Here is a scan from St. Joseph Division Employee Timetable 50 Effective Sunday January 9, 1938 for the Atchison spur. It's an Adobe PDF file because the timetable is horse blanket size. Winthrop was where the Q started east of the Atchison bridge which was owned by the Atchison and Eastern Bridge Co. The bridge still stands, but is in disuse as the line east of the bridge was abandoned by BNSF after the last Missouri River flood. Some of track is still in place in flood damaged form. I do not have a complete set of Q public or employee timetables for the first half of the 1950s, but this connection train service changed to a bus connection between 1952 and 1954. The bus connection lasted into the early 1960s. Train service was indicated to be by motor car.
Also note service to East Leavenworth from Leavenworth at the time because the RI was still in Leavenworth. The Q Missouri side stop for Leavenworth changed to Beverly once the RI pulled out. Stillings was where the CGW changed power in the steam days. I've been told you can still find the footings for the old CGW roundhouse there. Today, it is just open farm country. They split their trains into two with smaller power to make the sharp curve off the bridge on the Kansas side onto their MP trackage rights into KC. This was the sharpest mainline curve in the U.S. during it's service time.
The Q January-April 1939 Public Timetable shows the stub train connection to Leavenworth was changed and then became between Leavenworth and Beverly.
The Q October-December 1940 Public Timetable showed this was changed to a Burlington Bus connection between Leavenworth and Beverly. This service was dropped by 1954/55. There is a note in the timetable for KC-Omaha trains that passengers must have their own transportation between Leavenworth and Beverly. I suspect the MP's Missouri River Eagle had siphoned off much of the Leavenworth passenger traffic.
I've also attached a booklet about operation of the electric staff system on the RI between Leavenworth, Stillings, and Beverly. The Q is still referred to as the Kansas City, St. Joseph and Council Bluffs in the document and used it between Leavenworth and Stillings. The staff system was discontinued when the RI abandoned just prior to World War II. This was provided to me by Jeff Needham, a local Kansas City modeler. He will be doing a presentation on Leavenworth on Friday August 10 at the Layout Design Sig Banquet in concert with the National Model Railroad Association Convention in Kansas City.
Bill Hirt
On 7/30/2018 3:36 PM, Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io wrote:
July 30, 2018
Pete - It may be that the PZ was photographed at St. Joe, not Atchison, KS. Although the Atchison and St. Joe depots are similar in design (wonder if the same architect designed both?), there seems no good reason for the PZ to be in Atchison, unless it was on exhibition when new. That would be a possibility per Bill Hirt's Email mentioning the motor car service from Atchison to Armour, MO, connecting with Q passenger trains on the St. Joe Division. Check the following web site:
Note the Q is not shown on the train board meaning that passenger service had been discontinued sometime earlier. Since the PZ looks so "shiny new" in the image, may be it was on exhibition. The engineer's leather cap looks more 1930s than later. Plus, the employee time table the conductor is holding sure looks like an oversize "horse blanket" style of the 1930s.
But, then again, like you say, may be the location is St. Joe. Is there a list somewhere that gives all the exhibition stops with dates for the PZ? Best Regards - Louis
In a message dated 7/30/2018 8:46:28 AM Central Standard Time, jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io writes:
<St. Joe Jan 9 1938 Emp TT Atchison.pdf>
<Operation of Staff System on Leavenworth Terminal.pdf>
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