Re: [CBQ] CB&Q 36 ft Single Deck Stock Cars

["Charlie Vlk cvlk@comcast.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Rupert

Well, you have a definitive footnote for the Freight Car Roster!

I think the reason for the replacement of those cars was that the Q was not impressed with the service of iron/steel cars as they went to wood lined gondolas and hoppers.  They did not order all steel cars until relatively late in the steam era

Charlie Vlk

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On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Rupert:
 
Looks to me like you've found the answer!
 
Hol
 

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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:21:54 +1200
Subject: RE: [CBQ] CB&Q 36 ft Single Deck Stock Cars

 

Hol & Charlie

There were 1500 cars in the 55950-57449 series (SM-18 and SM-18A) but the Burlington didn’t have that many dump cars through its entire history.  Prior to the start of class numbers, there were about 215 cars built between about 1891 and 1902.  Then there were five classes of dump cars with a total of 523 cars (possibly including some of the pre-1910 cars)  Also, there were no ballast cars built in 1914 and even the earliest ones were still in use in 1926-28 (in case there was confusion between dump and ballast cars).

However, looking at gondolas, I may have the answer. I think “National dump cars” should read “National Dump cars”.

All-steel gondolas GA-10, GA-11, GA-12, GA-13 and GE-2 were all built with National Dump rigging.  GA-10 and GA-11 were built in 1913 while the other three groups - GA-12 (182000-183149), GA-13 (183150-183249) and GE-2 (179700-180199) were built in 1914 by Haskell & Barker. GA-12 and GE-2 cars were constructed to the same plan.  All three groups had drop bottoms, the difference being the GA’s had fixed ends while the GE’s had drop ends.

Looking at the ORER’s, the number of cars in these three classes reduced only slightly between 1918 and 1925 when there was a sudden drop from 1512 cars in 1925 to none in 1928.  Similarly, the numbers of GA-10 and GA-11 cars dropped from 3162 cars in 1925 to nil in 1928.  These sudden reductions are certainly not typical of natural retirements, wrecks, etc.  Even allowing for the cars that were converted to GS-3 in 1923-1926, there would appear to be plenty of steel centre sills available in 1926-1928 for the SM-18/A stock cars.

I wonder if there was a glut of gondolas in 1926 to justify scrapping these cars when cars built before them were kept in service.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 30 July 2015 06:12
To: CB&Q Group
Subject: RE: [CBQ] CB&Q 36 ft Single Deck Stock Cars

 

But remember that most of the patent car companies -- National, Ingoldsby and the like -- didn't build their cars themselves but contract with AC&F, Pullman and other builders to construct them when they received orders.
 
Hol
 

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 25 July 2015 06:49
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q 36 ft Single Deck Stock Cars

 

A while back Rupert and others were discussing CB&Q Steel frame stock cars.

I was looking for something else and came across an Ownership, Age & Condition document from the CB&Q that states in part:

Nos.                       Blt.         #            Condition           

55950-57449   1926-28   1262    Fair                             In building these cars steel center sills from old National dump cars built in 1914 were used.

 

Series 58000-58999 built in 1924 and 59000-59499 built in 1922 do not have this notation and were presumably built with new center sills.

 

Charlie Vlk

 

 

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