RE: [CBQ] Did the Q sell locos to Pielet at McCook,IL

["Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Louis:
 
Yes, as the letter I posted hints, some C&S steam power was shipped east in the early 1950s to scrappers used by the Q.  Others were sent south the Luria Bros. operation in Pueblo, Colo., adjacent to the CF&I steel mill.  But a good many C&S locomotives were cut up by the railroad in the Seventh Street (Rice) Yard in Denver on the same pair of tracks along the Platte River where the set of DZ/TZ cars were stored in the early 1970s, as noted in BB #50.  The big shipment of steam power that went south to Commercial Metals in Houston in early 1961 was the only time that scrapper was used by the C&S, though apparently the FW&D used them quite a bit.  Commercial Metals simply offered a higher price than any other scrapper closer to Denver.
 
Hol
 

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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 17:40:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Did the Q sell locos to Pielet at McCook,IL

 

June 5, 2015

 

Leo and Hol - I agree, Pielet Brothers never scrapped a Q steam locomotive. Although technically not a direct Q sale, let's not forget 5632 and 4963 being sold by the CWI in August 1969 to Erman-Howell Division of Luria Steel on 83rd Street in Chicago. This resulted from a conflict between their owner Dick Jensen and the railroad. The CWI was then sued by Jensen and he was eventually awarded a large sum in settlement as I recall. The legal case makes for interesting reading:

 

http://www.leagle.com/decision/1981100994IllApp3d915_1868.xml/JENSEN%20v.%20CHICAGO%20&%20WESTERN%20INDIANA%20R.R.%20CO.

 

Although 5632 was quickly scrapped (it's tender lasted for a little while longer as it was gutted into a hopper car for moving scrap around the yard), fortunately 4963 was set aside by Erman-Howell (probably because of Jensen's law suit at the time) and eventually purchased by the Illinois Railway Museum where it remains in storage today.

 

If not dismantled at Eola, the Q competitively bid their retired locomotives and rolling stock. We're all familiar with NWSW at Sterling, but Robinson Company is a new one to me. My father told me that Hyman Michaels in south Chicago also purchased Q steam power for scrap, those locomotives being interchanged to the IHB at Congress Park.

 

Hol, I've always wondered, what company(s) scrapped CS steam power. I recall the last CS steam locomotives were assembled in Denver and then moved south all the way to Commercial Metals in Dallas, TX. However, wasn't Q steam power moved from Denver and other Lines West division points east to the Lincoln dead line? And from Lincoln, east to Chicago scrap yards, or at the very end, to NWSW. 

 

Thanks for posting the Robinson Company letter. I've got several images of Q steam power taken in the 1950s showing a number of locomotives on a scrap yard delivery track "some where" in Chicago. One is an 0-8-0. Got to find the images to see if it's the 547, plus if any of the numbers in the letter match the other locomotives. Other than at Eola or NWSW, photos of Q steam power being scrapped are rare.

 

I'd like to see someone with access to Q mechanical department archives compile a list of what scrap yards purchased what Q locomotives along with the dates of sale. Compiling a complete scrap list is probably impossible, but from World War Two forward to complete dieselization might be doable. Seems as if NWSW purchased the majority if not all of the Q's remaining steam power in the late 1950s. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL 

 

In a message dated 6/5/2015 3:15:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thanks Hol,

I had not heard of any steam locos going to Pielet but the Congress Park location made me wonder. I checked Corbin's Steam Locos of the Q and it shows the 547 scrapped in 1954, the same year as the photo at the "park". 

So I'll theorize that these locos were brought to the park by the Congo,left for the east end Wayfreight to take to Eola. Then the Rockfalls Wayfreight would take them to Rockfalls where the switch engine would deliver them to Northwestern steel. 

Does anyone have documentation on the final dispo of 547?

Leo Phillipp

On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Leo:
 
I don't believe Pielet was involved in the scrapping of steam locomotives, though I could be wrong.  The Q, however, did not sell any to Pielet, that I've sever seen documented.  The attached letter is typical of the dispositions of steam locomotives sold for scrap.  The only Illinois company listed besides Northwest Steel & wire is Robinson Bros. of Chicago.
 
Hol
 

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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [CBQ] Did the Q sell locos to Pielet at McCook,IL

 

Can anyone advise if the Q sold steam Locos to Pielet in McCook,IL for dismantling ?
It's well documented that locos went to Northwestern Steel and Wire and of course the Eola Reclamation plant.

I'm asking as there's a photo of the 547 and another dead loco at Congress Park on yard trk 1.
Congress Park would not be a storage point as every track was used multiple times a day for
Interchanges.

Leo Phillipp

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