Re: [CBQ] Re:Passenger F3s [1 Attachment]

["BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@gmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

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The earliest known photos of ATSF FTs (such as #100 on its frist trip west) show stirrups and handrails at the ends of each unit. ATSF insisted on FTBs being able to be separated from FTAs from the very beginning.

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Brian Ehni

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Date: Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM
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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Re:Passenger F3s

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a photo of an FTA or FTB in service without its mate.   Installation of couplers between them would have necessitated reworking of the units as the way they were delivered to most roads they could not be operated separately…batteries for one were in the B units only on the FTs.   Not sure if the ATSF and other roads that had couplers all around set up the units for independent operation.

Charlie Vlk

 

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All...I checked BB#4 on the F units. It says that the FTs were drawbared together in four unit sets. When the first five sets were broken up and mated with F2 A units, they were drawbared together in three unit sets. All the rest of the Fs also had drawbars. Couplers began to be applied in late 1951, with the four unit sets split into A/B sets with drawbars. Later, most of the A/Bs were split with couplers. The three unit sets remained with drawbars into the 1960's with the last one being the 167 set. No definate mention is made of wheather the FT A/B sets with drawbars received couplers.

 

Gordon  

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From: Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]

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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: [CBQ] Re:Passenger F3s

 

Bill:
 
I don't believe any of the FT-A/B sets ever had their drawbars replaced with couplers, but the rear of the B-units did so the A/B/B/A sets and the FT-A/B/F2-A sets could be separated in A/B pairs (and single F2-A units).  All the A/B/B/A sets were delivered with drawbars on the rear of the B-units, and the F3s and F7s all eventually got couplers between all the units.  The 9962ABC set was the last of the former passenger F3s to remain in an intact set -- as late as 1964 -- but there were couplers between all three of the units.
 
Hol
 

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:14:54 -0500
Subject: [CBQ] Re:Passenger F3s

 

Hol,

 

Thanks for sharing the photos of the passenger F's in service in their original colors, particularly pulling the CZ. Seeing them brings up a question that I have never seen accurately answered. Were those three CZ F3 consists coupled with drawbars between each unit or did they have couplers? Along the same lines, were the four unit FTs coupled with drawbars between each unit or were there couplers between the two B units?  What other Q F unit consists had drawbars? Finally, did the Q convert some units to couplers in later years. I don't recall seeing any definitive discussion about drawbars in the old F unit Bulletin.

 

Bill Barber

Gravois Mills, MO

 

On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:03 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

Passenger F3s

Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:01 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Hol Wagner" fhw632

I was just sorting through some images after scanning a black-and-white view of 9961-C at Aurora that I didn't recall seeing before, and as I found several views of the Q's passenger F3s in the silver passenger paint scheme that I've always liked on those units, so I thought I'd post a few shots of them in passenger service, or at least passenger colors. The Dick Rumbolz photo of the 9961 set in freight service at Lincoln during the summer of 1956 was taken during a period when a bumper wheat crop had so increased traffic on the Q that a large number of steam locomotives that had been sitting idle were put back in service to handle the business and O-5s could be seen for one last time in freight service on the mainline between Lincoln and Chicago. By fall the rush was over and the steam power was put back in storage, most of it never to run again. The passenger F3s had been regeared for freight service in 1955 but for some reason unknown today were not repainted into freight colors at that time, so now, a year later, one set was hard at work out of Lincoln during a very busy summer.

Hol 

 

 

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