Jim's right, that is indeed the C&S Seventh Street engine terminal in Denver, with the Ross & White steel coaling station erected in 1946 behind the tender. The 7020 was being used between Denver and Texline on trains 7-8 at that time. Hol
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:17:50 -0600 Subject: RE: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?
That coal tower and water tank sure look
like Denver’s
Rice Yard engine service area. I’d be surprised if any other Lines West yard
looked exactly like that, but I could be wrong.
Very nice photo...
Jim Ferenc
Boulder, CO
From:
CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014
8:37 AM
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CBQ] Where Was This
Image Taken?
Gene,
Hol and All - As it turns out, I can now answer part of my question on how 7020
appeared near the end of its service life on Lines West. I did have an image of
the 4-8-2 after it had been modernized with a disc main driver and converted to
burn oil. Note the heavily modified tender with its oversize oil bunker.
The image is undated and identified as being taken at Lincoln, but from the size and shape of the
steel coal chute, that is incorrect. Can any Lines West expert
tell me where this image was taken from the coal chute and, I think, fuel
oil storage tank alongside? Could it be Alliance,
NE? A classy looking B-1-A.
Best Regards - Louis
From:
LZadnichek@aol.com
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/6/2014 11:13:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: Re: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?
Gene -
Thanks for checking your locomotive assignment sheets. Ottumwa, IA,
interesting. Some of the younger members of the Group may not
realize that in the steam era prior to the Class S-4 and Class O-5 passenger
locomotives that earlier steam power such as the Class B-1-A's were often
changed at each division point for a "fresh" engine. Thus, in the
mid-1920s when the 4-8-2's were the epitome of passenger power, they
would, for instance, run from CUS to Galesburg, change engines, Galesburg
to Ottumwa, change engines, Ottumwa to Creston, change engines, Creston to
Omaha/Lincoln, change engines and so on. So, in that era, 7020 would've bounced
between Galesburg and Creston with its home
terminal as Ottumwa.
Later, the "modern" S-4 and O-5 engines were often run through from
CUS to Omaha/Lincoln that eliminated the need for time consuming engine changes
and need for multiple locomotives resulting in significant savings. Since Galesburg was not in a valley to where you could see hills
in the background and the Ottumwa engine
terminal wasn't large enough to support such a large ash gantry crane, nor was Omaha, and we've already eliminated Lincoln,
I guess Dayton's
Bluff remains the most likely location by process of elimination. A
thought crossed my mind that maybe 7020 is pictured in Savanna due to the
background hills, but, again, that engine terminal wasn't large enough to
support such a crane. Plus, we can cross out both the Clyde and Western Avenue
engine terminals in Chicago
due to the background hills. I did check the June 1935 and February
1952 locomotive assignment sheets in the Corbin book to see what happened
to 7020. The 1935 sheet shows her assigned to the Chicago Division
that means 7020 could've ventured to Dayton's
Bluff engine terminal in St. Paul,
MN. I personally think the image
in question was taken in the late 1930s or into the 1940s. The
February 1952 sheet shows that 7020 had been reassigned to the
Alliance Division in western Nebraska.
7020 was among the last four Class B-1-A's retired, all in May 1955. I do
not know if 7020 was modernized with a disc main driver as several
class engines were, but the 1952 sheet identifies her as having been
converted to burn oil. The Corbin book also reports 7020 was equipped
with roller bearings on the main driver. I have two other images, both
unidentified as to date and location, of 7020 as a coal burner, but none of her
as an oil burner on Lines West. If any Group member has an image
they'd like to share of 7020 on Lines West as an oil burner, I'd sure
enjoy seeing it. Best Regards - Louis
In a
message dated 10/5/2014 5:28:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com
writes:
Louis,
I have copies of a bunch of locomotive
assignment sheets and 7020 was assigned as below:
|
ENGINE
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DATE
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2/1/1923
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1/1/1925
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12/1/1925
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12/1/1928
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8/1/1931
|
11/1/1932
|
6/1/1935
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4/1/1937
|
4/1/1939
|
2/1/1941
|
9/1/1942
|
1/1/1948
|
1/1/1950
|
6/1/1950
|
10/1/1950
|
|
4/1/1952
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12/1/1953
|
10/1/1954
|
4/1/1955
|
|
B-1A
|
7020
|
|
|
OTTUMWA
|
|
|
AURORA
|
CHICAGO
|
CHICAGO
|
CHICAGO
|
BEARDSTOWN
|
CHICAGO
|
ALLIANCE
|
CASPER
|
CASPER
|
ALLIANCE
|
|
ALLIANCE
|
ALLIANCE
|
ALLIANCE
|
CONDEMNED
|
Maybe this will help find the location.
Gene
From:
CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 5:04
PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Where Was This
Image Taken?
Hol - OK, none of the above..... That's
the FUN in trying to identify old photographs. At least we're pretty sure
where the image wasn't taken! I agree, could be Dayton's
Bluff engine terminal in St. Paul,
MN. Perhaps, some one else in
the Group will have an educated guess, or a list of where such gantry
style ash handling conveyors were located. Had to be at a major engine
terminal where removing the huge volume of ashes and cinders would require
mechanical assistance. While there are some number of Q coal dock/tower/chute
images in existance, I very seldom see any of ash handling
machinery. I guess it's a subject now pretty much lost to time. Enjoy your
Sunday afternoon - Louis
You're right; that does appear to be a
hill line, visible both in front of and behind 7020. And in Denver the South Platte River would be in that area, so
it's not Denver or Lincoln
-- or Galesburg
either. I don't know if the Dayton's
Bluff engine facilities has one of these conveyors, but the B-!-A's were used a
lot on the Twin Cities line, too, and a hill would be visible there.
Hol
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 17:38:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?
Hol - Many thanks! Looking at the
faint background, does that look like a hill line to you? The Lincoln engine terminal as I recall was built
on flat terrain. Would a hill line be visible from the Denver engine terminal? What do you think.
All this will help in identifying the other "gantry" images. Best
Regards - Louis
Louis:
Denver, Galesburg
and Creston, that I know of, also used this style of cinder gantry. Since
it's the 7020, my bet is Denver or Lincoln; not enough
background to be sure.
Hol
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 17:20:39 -0400
Subject: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?
Hol and Group - Where was this undated
image taken of Class B-1-A 7020?
I "think" it's Lincoln from the traveling gantry crane used
to clean the ash pits looming over the 4-8-2. Was Lincoln the only Q engine terminal set-up
with such a gantry? I have a number of unidentified engine terminal
images all showing the above gantry crane (or one like it if more than one
terminal was so equipped). Would appreciate your comments and thoughts on
this subject. Best Regards - Louis
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