Re: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?

["LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

October 8, 2014

 

Jim - Thanks for the tentative ID. Does kind of look like Denver now that you mention it. May be Hol can confirm. Since 7020 was assigned to the Alliance Division, it's quite possible she made it west to Denver, either in train service or for shopping. That tender with the oversize oil bunker looks similar to some C&S tenders so modified, as well as others attached to oil burning Class O-1-A engines on Lines West.  I would think that the Denver Shops did all the heavy conversion work from coal to oil firing, although the Lincoln roundhouse may have had had the same capabilities. Since the tender appears cleaner than the locomotive, may be this image dates to when 7020 was converted to oil firing. Yes, a nice sharp image for both steam locomotive lovers and modelers alike. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL  

 

In a message dated 10/8/2014 11:18:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

That coal tower and water tank sure look like Denver’s Rice Yard engine service area.  I’d be surprised if any other Lines West yard looked exactly like that, but I could be wrong.

 

Very nice photo...

 

Jim Ferenc

Boulder, CO

 

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 8:37 AM
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Subject: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?

 

 

October 8, 2014

 

Gene, Hol and All - As it turns out, I can now answer part of my question on how 7020 appeared near the end of its service life on Lines West. I did have an image of the 4-8-2 after it had been modernized with a disc main driver and converted to burn oil. Note the heavily modified tender with its oversize oil bunker. The image is undated and identified as being taken at Lincoln, but from the size and shape of the steel coal chute, that is incorrect. Can any Lines West expert tell me where this image was taken from the coal chute and, I think, fuel oil storage tank alongside? Could it be Alliance, NE? A classy looking B-1-A. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL  

 

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From: LZadnichek@aol.com
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/6/2014 11:13:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: Re: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?

 

October 6, 2014

 

Gene - Thanks for checking your locomotive assignment sheets. Ottumwa, IA, interesting. Some of the younger members of the Group may not realize that in the steam era prior to the Class S-4 and Class O-5 passenger locomotives that earlier steam power such as the Class B-1-A's were often changed at each division point for a "fresh" engine. Thus, in the mid-1920s when the 4-8-2's were the epitome of passenger power, they would, for instance, run from CUS to Galesburg, change engines, Galesburg to Ottumwa, change engines, Ottumwa to Creston, change engines, Creston to Omaha/Lincoln, change engines and so on. So, in that era, 7020 would've bounced between Galesburg and Creston with its home terminal as Ottumwa. Later, the "modern" S-4 and O-5 engines were often run through from CUS to Omaha/Lincoln that eliminated the need for time consuming engine changes and need for multiple locomotives resulting in significant savings. Since Galesburg was not in a valley to where you could see hills in the background and the Ottumwa engine terminal wasn't large enough to support such a large ash gantry crane, nor was Omaha, and we've already eliminated Lincoln, I guess Dayton's Bluff remains the most likely location by process of elimination. A  thought crossed my mind that maybe 7020 is pictured in Savanna due to the background hills, but, again, that engine terminal wasn't large enough to support such a crane. Plus, we can cross out both the Clyde and Western Avenue engine terminals in Chicago due to the background hills.  I did check the June 1935 and February 1952 locomotive assignment sheets in the Corbin book to see what happened to 7020. The 1935 sheet shows her assigned to the Chicago Division that means 7020 could've ventured to Dayton's Bluff engine terminal in St. Paul, MN. I personally think the image in question was taken in the late 1930s or into the 1940s. The February 1952 sheet shows that 7020 had been reassigned to the Alliance Division in western Nebraska. 7020 was among the last four Class B-1-A's retired, all in May 1955. I do not know if 7020 was modernized with a disc main driver as several class engines were, but the 1952 sheet identifies her as having been converted to burn oil. The Corbin book also reports 7020 was equipped with roller bearings on the main driver. I have two other images, both unidentified as to date and location, of 7020 as a coal burner, but none of her as an oil burner on Lines West. If any Group member has an image they'd like to share of 7020 on Lines West as an oil burner, I'd sure enjoy seeing it. Best Regards - Louis       

 

 

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