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Louis, Hol and other "Q' fans,
 
Reading this series of posts about #7020 has been very informative and I believe gets to the heart and soul of groups like this, information being shared and discussed in a positive constructive manner.  Thanks to everyone who has shared their input not only about the location of the photo but other related material about #7020.  I look forward to reading more conversations among group members like this one.
 
Thanks for an educational, enjoyable series of posts.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther     Tucson, AZ
 
 
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From: LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?

 
October 9, 2014
 
Hol - OK, we've answered another question as to date. Since the coal tower/chute was constructed in 1946 and 7020 was back on the Alliance Division by September 1946, the image almost certainly has to date to 1946. I'm going to ID the image as taken at the C&S Seventh Street Engine Terminal, Denver, CO, 1946.
 
Further, since 7020 and her sisters were leased to the Denver Road, I would guess they were all assigned to the Texline roundhouse where they could've run north to Denver and south to Fort Worth. I've never seen a FW&D locomotive assignment sheet. Can anyone confirm my guess. Texline is in the middle of no where.
 
Some number of images I've collected over the years have turned out to be incorrectly identified. I'll be posting more images that I have questions on. None of us are getting any younger (hint, I was born the same year the C&S coaling tower was constructed), so I want to get the image IDs "right" while I still can.
 
One last favor and there's no rush. The next time you look at your assignment sheets, see if you can determine the year 7020 was converted to oil firing. Since oil burners are keyed with a symbol on the sheets, the first sheet showing the engine as an oil burner will give us a good idea of the conversion date.
 
I've always had kind of a "thing" for the Q's orphan 4-8-2 type engines that I've always understood to be a transitional design between the Class S-3 4-6-2's and the Class S-4 4-6-4's. The Class B-1-A's were certainly a bit "odd" looking with their long, lanky boilers and that classic "Q" front end and cab.
 
My Dad had experience with them in train service during World War Two. Dad always said they were very slippery and "couldn't pull a tea cup off a plate" until they got going and when they did could run with the wind. One of my prized Q artifacts is the original framed Baldwin builder's photograph of the 7008.
 
I never saw a Class B-1-A up close. They were gone from the Lincoln dead line by the time Dad was terminal superintendent there. The 4-8-2's and the Clyde dead line were also gone by the time Dad was division superintendent in Chicago. Is there anyone in the Group who had personal contact with a B-1-A?
 
One last bit of trivia. Nos. 7000 through 7007, the first 4-8-2's, were Class B-1, ordered from Lima (a real departure from the Q's reliance on Baldwin for power needs) and built with extended smoke boxes for burning lignite coal. All were assigned to Lines West, but eventually ran system wide. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL    
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2014 6:52:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Louis:
Checked some assignment sheets, and from June 1945 until sometime in 1946 the 7014, 7019 and 7020 were leased to the FW&D, not the C&S.  I have or have seen several photos of them operating on the C&S leg of trains 7-8, however, and just because they were leased to the "Denver" doesn't mean they didn't regularly run over the C&S.  The earliest 1946 assignment sheet I have is for September, and they were back on the Alliance Division by then.
 
This 1945-46 usage by the C&S-FW&D was not the first, however, and at the bottom of page 48 in Corbin's Burlington in Transition is a Dick Kindig photo of 7019, a coal-burner, pulling No. 8 north at Pikeview, just north of Colorado Springs, on June 17, 1939.  That's probably the lease to the C&S that I was recalling.
 
Hol


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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:07:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?

 
October 8, 2014
 
Hol - Thanks! That was a pretty long run at the time. Can you narrow it down to what year(s) 7020 was assigned? Obviously, 1946 and/or later. Best Regards - Louis
 
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
 
In a message dated 10/8/2014 3:50:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:


Jim's right, that is indeed the C&S Seventh Street engine terminal in Denver, with the Ross & White steel coaling station erected in 1946 behind the tender.  The 7020 was being used between Denver and Texline on trains 7-8 at that time.
 
Hol
 

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:17:50 -0600
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Where Was This Image Taken?

 
That coal tower and water tank sure look like Denver’s Rice Yard engine service area.  I’d be surprised if any other Lines West yard looked exactly like that, but I could be wrong.

 
Very nice photo...
 
Jim Ferenc
Boulder, CO
 



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