The 23 car DZ I rode was in 1968. However, the mail car had been cut the previous December, so I am sure the train was losing money by that time. In September of 1968, the Chuckwagon became summers only and train consists began to shrink. Amtrak began 3 years later in May of 1971.
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Re: [CBQ] 23 Car Denver Zephyr
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If the RR was running 23-car trains out of Denver in 69, why was pass
service on the brink of termination?
----- Original Message -----
From: "GLEN HAUG" <glenehaug@msn.com>
To: <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [CBQ] 23 Car Denver Zephyr
Steven:
Regarding the WESTBOUND 23 car Denver Zephyr, do you recall if this was a
Saturday departure from Chicago and Sunday arrival at Denver?
I recall a lengthy EASTBOUND Denver Zephyr at Burlington, Iowa that I
observed on a Monday morning (I think) in August 1966, which would have been
a Sunday departure from Denver. I thought I counted 5 motors, and 27 cars,
but it may have been 23. Could this have been
the same set of equipment?
I remember 5 things about this train. (1) There was no 2nd #10 (which there
was occasionally that Summer). (2) All of the equipment was stainless
steel, no heavyweights and no SSS cars. (3) Silver Leaf, a flat-top coach
was tacked on at Burlington behind the Vista-dome Observation. (4) The
train was so long, it stretched the entire length of the Mississippi River
Bridge at Burlington. And (5) remarkably (I thought), it was virtually on
time! I remember the time because I was working on a B&B gang in Burlington
in August 1966, and we went to work at 7AM daylight, which was 6AM railroad
(standard) time. We would walk to the bridge from the outfits, starting at
6 and getting to the bridge at about 6:10. Number 10 departed about 6:05,
and I think it's scheduled departure was 6:01.
I'm curious.
Glen Haug
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From: sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 05:55:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Fw: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's
I rode a 23 car Denver Zephyr westbound in late August 1966 which had
5 E units. I rode #10 departing Denver August 3, 1968 with 23 cars having
only 4 E units.
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Re: [CBQ] Fw: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's
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Rich,
I know that in 1951, the Nebraska Zephyr used only one E unit for the the
seven car articulated Nebraska Zephyr, plus an Economy baggage car - eight
cars.
Rich G.
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Forst" <rforst@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx wrote:
>
> The Burlington had a formula for power to cars for the passenger trains.
> I
> believe it was one E Unit for every 5 cars. (It might have been six on
> certain runs) Headend cars, shorter jeep baggages, were counted
> differently
> (usually on 2nd and 3rd #1 and #10 during the Christmas
rush. As a rule
> the
> Burlington also followed the EMD max of 4 E Units on a train, becasue of
> MU
> and braking responses. There are rare occasions where you do see 5 units
> on
> trains and on the C&S when they burned up the E 5's in freight service
> they
> ran long strings of the E5's.
>
> It was Lou Menk, new president of the Q (x- Frisco) in 1965 that started
> the
> Elephant style of running E Units, incase the lead unit failed, the crews
> could swap units. However, it also did what Lou wanted and increased
> passenger train terminal costs by always turning all locomotives at the
> terminal. When he arrived, he work the hardest at killing passenger
> service
> on the Q. He also was able to run some of the surburban
runs with units
> coming off mainline runs. They were really dirty and obviously not
> serviced
> yet. This increased the mainline passenger costs to justify getting out
> of
> that business. And we all know ke killed the steam excursions on the Q.
>
> Rich Forst
> rforst@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry M Mikkelson <LarryMMikkelson@...>
> To: BRHSlist@onelist.com <BRHSlist@onelist.com>;
> clive.turner@... <clive.turner@...>
> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:34 PM
> Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's
>
>
> >From: Larry M Mikkelson
<LarryMMikkelson@...>
> >
> >Clive,
> >
> >I believe the reason for 3 E's on the CZ or DZ was the length of those
> >trains, and 3 units provided the correct amount of power. As to running
> >all units nose forward, that was the practice in the late 60's, but
> >during
> >the 50's I remember seeing Burlington E's on the Empire Builder back to
> >back. I heard that if all units ran nose forward, if the lead unit had a
> >collision or became disabled, it could be removed and the next unit would
> >be pointed in the right direction to continue the trip.
> >
> >The only E5's I have seen in HO were brass models from Hallmark, Oriental
> >Limitied and Challenger Imports.
> >
>
>
> >
> >At 07:55 AM 1/26/99 -0000, you wrote:
> >>From: Turner Clive Civ 100SUPS/LGSAM <clive.turner@...>
> >>
> >>From "Clive Turner'' In England < clive.turner@... >
> >>
> >>Dave,
> >>My Father has just built me a Custom made 5 shelf display case to show
> >>off
> >>my Locomotives, at the moment i have an ABA set of Alco PA's of the New
> York
> >>Central but of Course my Burlington! will take pride of place at the
> >>top,
> my
> >>Question is and please forgive me I'm still new to railroading but for
> what
> >>purpose did E8's and E9's run sets of 3 engines nose to tail ? i would
> like
>
>>to display my Burlington's in that way.
> >>Finally is there any Company out there that makes an E5 in HO Scale with
> >>good detail?.
> >>Thank you
> >>Clive of England
> >>
> >>Mr C A.Turner
> >>Facilities Manager
> >>100th Supply Squadron
> >>MOD CIV (USAFE)
> >>Telephone Ext 2568
> >>
> >>> ----------
> >>> From: Dave Lotz[SMTP:Dave_Lotz@...]
> >>> Reply To: BRHSlist@onelist.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:27 PM
> >>> To: BRHSlist@onelist.com
>
>>> Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington Baggage Cars (again)
> >>>
> >>> From: "Dave Lotz" <Dave_Lotz@...>
> >>>
> >>> Rumor has it that American Model Builders may be coming out with the
> >>> Havelock Baggage sometime this year in a Laserkit.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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