Bill,
I just read Rich's message and thought it was just posted. I didn't
realize it wasn't current!
Rich G.
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From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:04 pm
Subject: [CBQ]
Re: Fw: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's
Rich G.
Your message really had me confused. What triggered your response to Rich
Frost's message of February 3, 1999 at this late date? I saw nothing in recent
digests concerning Mr. Frost message. I had to search the files to find the
original post. Fortunately, the search function works very well when I searched
for the date on Larry Mikkelson's message following Rich's message.
Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO
Fri
Aug 23, 2013 7:01 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
Rich,
I
know that in 1951, the Nebraska Zephyr used only one E unit for the the seven
car articulated Nebraska Zephyr, plus an Economy baggage car - eight
cars.
Rich G.
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In
CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Richard
Forst" <
rforst@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx wrote:
>
> The Burlington
had a formula for power to cars for the passenger trains. I
> believe it
was one E Unit for every 5 cars. (It might have been six on
> certain
runs) Headend cars, shorter jeep baggages, were counted differently
>
(usually on 2nd and 3rd #1 and #10 during the Christmas rush. As a rule
the
> Burlington also followed the EMD max of 4 E Units on a train,
becasue of MU
> and braking responses. There are rare occasions where
you do see 5 units on
> trains and on the C&S when they burned up
the E 5's in freight service they
> ran long strings of the
E5's.
>
> It was
Lou Menk, new president of the Q (x- Frisco) in 1965 that started the
>
Elephant style of running E Units, incase the lead unit failed, the
crews
> could swap units. However, it also did what Lou wanted and
increased
> passenger train terminal costs by always turning all
locomotives at the
> te rminal. When he arrived, he work the hardest at
killing passenger service
> on the Q. He also was able to run some of
the surburban runs with units
> coming off mainline runs. They were
really dirty and obviously not serviced
> yet. This increased the
mainline passenger costs to justify getting out of
> that business. And
we all know ke killed the steam excursions on the Q.
>
> Rich Forst
>
rforst@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry M Mikkelson
<LarryMMikkelson
@...>
> To: BRHSlist@onelist.com <BRHSlist@onelist.com>;
>
clive.turner@... <clive.turner@...>
> Date: Tuesday,
February 02, 1999 8:34 PM
> Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington
E's
>
>
> >From: Larry M Mikkelson
<LarryMMikkelson@...>
> >
> >Clive,
>
>
> >I believe the reason for 3 E's on the CZ or DZ was the length
of those
> >trains, and 3 units provided the correct amount of power.
As to running
> >all units nose forward, that was the practice in the
late 60's, but during
> >the 50's I remember seeing Burlington E's on
the Empire Builder back to
> >back. I heard that if all units ran
nose forward, if the lead unit had a
> >collision or became disabled,
it could be removed and the next unit would
> >be pointed in the
right direction to continue the trip.
> >
> >The only E5's I
have seen in HO were brass models from Hallmark, Oriental
> >Limitied
and Challenger Imports.
> >
> >
> >
> >At
07:55 AM 1/26/99 -0000, you wrote:
> >>From: Turner Clive Civ
100SUPS/LGSAM <clive.turner@...>
> >>
>
>>From "Clive Turner'' In England <
clive.turner@... >
> >>
> >>Dave,
>
>>My Father has just built me a Custom made 5 shelf display case to show
off
> >>my Locomotives, at the moment i have an ABA set of Alco
PA's of the New
> York
> >>Central but of Course my
Burlington! will take pride of place at the top,
> my
>
>>Question is and please forgive me I'm still new to railroading but
for
> what
> >>purpose did E8's and E9's run sets of 3
engines nose to tail ? i would
> like
> >>to display my
Burlington's in that way.
> >>Finally is there any
Company out there that makes an E5 in HO Scale with
> >>good
detail?.
> >>Thank you
> >>Clive of England
>
>>
> >>Mr C A.Turner
> >>Facilities
Manager
> >>100th Supply Squadron
> >>MOD CIV
(USAFE)
> >>Telephone Ext 2568
> >>
>
>>> ----------
> >>> From: Dave
Lotz[SMTP:Dave_Lotz@...]
> >>> Reply To: BRHSlist@onelist.com
>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:27 PM
> >>>
To: BRHSlist@onelist.com
>
>>> Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington Baggage Cars (again)
>
>>>
> >>> From: "Dave Lotz"
<Dave_Lotz@...>
> >>>
> >>> Rumor has
it that American Model Builders may be coming out with the
> >
;>> Havelock Baggage sometime this year in a Laserkit.
>
>>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
>
>>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>>>
> >>>
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