Re: [CBQ] Fw: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's

[Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>]

I rode a 23 car Denver Zephyr westbound in late August 1966 which had 5 E units. I rode #10 departing Denver August 3, 1968 with 23 cars having only 4 E units.

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From: rgortowski@aol.com <rgortowski@aol.com>;
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Fw: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:01:28 AM

 

Rich,

 

I know that in 1951, the Nebraska Zephyr used only one E unit for the the seven car articulated Nebraska Zephyr, plus an Economy baggage car - eight cars. 

 

Rich G.

--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Forst" <rforst@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx wrote:
>
> The Burlington had a formula for power to cars for the passenger trains. I
> believe it was one E Unit for every 5 cars. (It might have been six on
> certain runs) Headend cars, shorter jeep baggages, were counted differently
> (usually on 2nd and 3rd #1 and #10 during the Christmas rush. As a rule the
> Burlington also followed the EMD max of 4 E Units on a train, becasue of MU
> and braking responses. There are rare occasions where you do see 5 units on
> trains and on the C&S when they burned up the E 5's in freight service they
> ran long strings of the E5's.
>
> It was Lou Menk, new president of the Q (x- Frisco) in 1965 that started the
> Elephant style of running E Units, incase the lead unit failed, the crews
> could swap units. However, it also did what Lou wanted and increased
> passenger train terminal costs by always turning all locomotives at the
> terminal. When he arrived, he work the hardest at killing passenger service
> on the Q. He also was able to run some of the surburban runs with units
> coming off mainline runs. They were really dirty and obviously not serviced
> yet. This increased the mainline passenger costs to justify getting out of
> that business. And we all know ke killed the steam excursions on the Q.
>
> Rich Forst
> rforst@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry M Mikkelson <LarryMMikkelson@...>
> To: BRHSlist@onelist.com <BRHSlist@onelist.com>;
> clive.turner@... <clive.turner@...>
> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:34 PM
> Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington E's
>
>
> >From: Larry M Mikkelson <LarryMMikkelson@...>
> >
> >Clive,
> >
> >I believe the reason for 3 E's on the CZ or DZ was the length of those
> >trains, and 3 units provided the correct amount of power. As to running
> >all units nose forward, that was the practice in the late 60's, but during
> >the 50's I remember seeing Burlington E's on the Empire Builder back to
> >back. I heard that if all units ran nose forward, if the lead unit had a
> >collision or became disabled, it could be removed and the next unit would
> >be pointed in the right direction to continue the trip.
> >
> >The only E5's I have seen in HO were brass models from Hallmark, Oriental
> >Limitied and Challenger Imports.
> >
> >
> >
> >At 07:55 AM 1/26/99 -0000, you wrote:
> >>From: Turner Clive Civ 100SUPS/LGSAM <clive.turner@...>
> >>
> >>From "Clive Turner'' In England < clive.turner@... >
> >>
> >>Dave,
> >>My Father has just built me a Custom made 5 shelf display case to show off
> >>my Locomotives, at the moment i have an ABA set of Alco PA's of the New
> York
> >>Central but of Course my Burlington! will take pride of place at the top,
> my
> >>Question is and please forgive me I'm still new to railroading but for
> what
> >>purpose did E8's and E9's run sets of 3 engines nose to tail ? i would
> like
> >>to display my Burlington's in that way.
> >>Finally is there any Company out there that makes an E5 in HO Scale with
> >>good detail?.
> >>Thank you
> >>Clive of England
> >>
> >>Mr C A.Turner
> >>Facilities Manager
> >>100th Supply Squadron
> >>MOD CIV (USAFE)
> >>Telephone Ext 2568
> >>
> >>> ----------
> >>> From: Dave Lotz[SMTP:Dave_Lotz@...]
> >>> Reply To: BRHSlist@onelist.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:27 PM
> >>> To: BRHSlist@onelist.com
> >>> Subject: [BRHSlist] Re: Burlington Baggage Cars (again)
> >>>
> >>> From: "Dave Lotz" <Dave_Lotz@...>
> >>>
> >>> Rumor has it that American Model Builders may be coming out with the
> >>> Havelock Baggage sometime this year in a Laserkit.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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