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When they put you back to work, the letter read "as a matter of managerial discretion". It didn't say, "All is forgiven". I don't believe any other industry had this kind of insurance or needed it! In case of a derailment, there was a lot of finger pointing. The mechanical department said that the operating department was at fault. The operating department said the switch was out of adjustment. The track people said it was a sharp flange and around and around it went. From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com" <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [CBQ] Fire Insurance Leo et al
The complete wording of the "invitation" was..."to develop the facts, discover the cause, and determine your responsibility, if any, in connection with...............".
I have sat on all three "sides of the table" at those "parties...ie..as a "participant"... a "witness" and an "interrogator".
I even had to testify as a witness in a rule G case on the RI when I was still a Trainee...We weren't supposed to be used for those purposes, but the trainmaster I was assigned to called me late at night at my room in the TEXAS Hotel in Ft. Worth in summer 1960...and just said..."Get dressed and get downstairs I'll pick you up in 15 minutes.. We went to the depot to confront the old conductor who was to take No. 18 out that night. He had had two many beers when he "got up hot" (his story) from his afternoon nap. I don't recall the outcome..The usual was to fire the victim for one year...then put him back to work on the first offense....That's probably what happened to that guy.
During my brief summer intervals as a trainman in the 1950's I never had the "job insurance"...I did get to attend a couple of parties, but never received any discipline. One in 1957 involved an improper interpretation of Train Orders and the other the failure of our rear brakeman to line a swich resulting our train shoving a setout through said switch and then derailing our engine and several cars when we made the reverse movement.
Pete
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From: qutlx1 <qutlx1@aol.com> To: cbq <cbq@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:17 pm Subject: [CBQ] Fire Insurance Let me try and shed some insider details. We never called it fire insurance, it was job insurance. You could get it through BRCF or the UTU.
What did it insure ? Working on any RR,not just the Q,was pretty much like working in a military organisation except there were no guns. There were mutliple rule books, the Consolidate Code,Signals & Indications rules,Safety Rules,Air Brake and Train Handling rules,rules pertaining to current timetable and special instructions and current Supt and trainmasters bulletins. If you screwed up and put something on the ground one of these rules would apply. How did I just come up with that long list.........Doug Hartman just emailed a couple days ago the Supts letter to him,myself and a couple dozens others that we were to prepare ourselves for the exam to Condr promotion in 1976.
If you had any kind of a derailment,accident,incident,etc you would receive a letter asking you to attend an investigation to "determine your responsibility......................." concerning the incident. The end result,if found guilty of one of the 700 plus rules was time off. The job insurance replace a portion of your wages while you sat home for the prescribed time off before returning to work.
Was there any other industry with this type of penalty system ?
Leo Phillipp
Former Brakeman,Condr,and local Greiver........yes I have been to a few investigations.
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