If this information is helpful, I'll pull the others:
SHILOH was a 12-1 with smoking room, originally assigned to the
PRR. Plan 1581-B built 1902
DUNKIRK was a 12-1 General Service Plan 1581-F built in 1903
TONOWANDA not found - TONAWANDA was a 12-1 General Service Plan
1963-C built 1907
DONALD was a 12-1 General Service Plan 1963-C built in 1905
At 06:00 PM 8/11/2012, you wrote:
Have a few spare moments will
start listing trainlist for #29 and #30 now:
April 1, 1917 #30 delayed 8 minutes at Wheatland taking siding for #29,
lost 7 minutes on running time acct. very high winds. S.A. Carley
cdr.
April 2, 1917 Chugwater - #29 and #30 annulled (no reason given but
probably due to high winds? We had gusts of 125-130 mph in Boulder in
1976-77.)
April 3, no consist or train makeup list for this date.
April 4, 1917 Chugwater - #30 had CB&Q combine #1921, C&S
baggage #212, CB&Q chair car #5634, CB&Q chair car #4425, C&S
diner #701, Pullmans SHILOH and DUNKIRK. S.A. Carley cdr, L.M. Ball,
flagman, Porter D.H. Williams. Lost 7 minutes broken steam line.
April 6, 1917 Chugwater - #29 had Eng #465 and #375, enginneers Gerhmul
and Mackie, firemen Green and Laymer. Pullman TONOWANDA and DONALD,
C&S Diner #705, CB&Q chair car 4419, C&S chair car
#502, CB&Q baggage #1395, CB&Q baggage/mail #1924. No delays
RC Raines: Will you investigate + advise the cause for the two firemen
not being at where they could be found to work Engine #325? We had to use
Stone (new fireman) who could not do the work. Put Green on the engine at
mp. 15 as #29 is being badly delayed.
April 7, 1917 Chugwater - #29 Delayed at Cheyenne waiting on UP
connection, 12 minutes + additional 10 minutes loading US mails. Departed
10:37 p.m. Delayed 10 minutes for meet with #32, 30 minutes running time
lost due to low steam on eng. #325/641 cause of new fireman D. Stone.
Engine journal running hot into Iron Mountain. #29 has pullman MARQUISE
(set out at Billings) OBERLIN (set out at Casper) ALGARDI (set out at
Billings). CB&Q diner #123, C&S coach #548, C&S chair car
#503, C&S baggage # 214, CB&Q mail 1920, Brakeman - Knox, Flagman
- Ball, Porter D.H. Williams. Additional 10 mins lost at Cheyenne for
connection, five minutes load/unload mail (mail delays were often caused
by having to respot the train).
April 7, 1917 Chugwater - "The weather is very bad, sleeting,
snowing with hail between Altus and Chugwater, considerable water in all
creeks."
April 9, 1917 Chugwater - Cdr. Carley #29 delayed at Cheyenne 5 minutes
waiting on US mail, lost 10 minutes 1 mile North of Iron Mountain account
of stock and cattle on tracks.
Bob Munshower
April 9, 1917 Chugwater - "No. 29 has Q mail car #1921, C&S
baggage #212, CB&Q chair/coach #634, Q chair car #4425, Q diner #102,
Pull-DUNKIRK, CREAMANA, SHILOH. Cdr. Baker" this report has been
copied exactly as written.
April 9, 1917 Chugwater - #29 again delayed at Cheyenne for
connection and 12 minutes to pick up sleeper. Lost 17 minutes testing and
fixing air. Could not get air thro train because trainline was coupled to
airline (signal air?) between engine and baggage car. Same air hose burst
at 16th street and broke between eng and baggage car, had use dummy hose.
S. A. Carley.
April 10, 1917 Chugwater - #30 Q. Combine #1924, Q Baggage #1394, C&S
chair #502, Q chair #4419. Pullman TONOWANDA, DONALD, OBERLIN.
April 11, 1917 Chugwater - #30 CB&Q combine # 1921, C&S
baggage #212, CB&Q chair car #5634, Chair car #4425, CB&Q
Diner #102, Pullman SHILOH, OBERLIN, DUNKIRK.
From: Robert munshower
<bearmtnbob@yahoo.com>
To: "CBQ@yahoogroups.com" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Trains #29 and #30
Minions, All! Tomorrow (possibly tonight) I will begin to post 2 or 3 or
more of the train #29 and #30 consists daily untill all are posted, or
until all concerned are thoroughly bored.
From: Bob Webber
<rgz17@comcast.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Trains #29 and #30
If you can provide the Pullman names, I can provide the information on
the cars themselves.
At 07:38 AM 8/11/2012, you wrote:
Dave, when I find some time (I
have two sisters in hospice care right now) I will collate all the
consists for you, I would guess that 30 or more list all of the cars in
the consists, many had CB&Q chair cars and baggage cars in tow.
The train register slips are of litttle use since freight trains, nearly
always run as extras were the only trains required to be registered. The
conductors even had to enter what color flags were displayed on the
engine.The problem with the Pullman Co. cars is that the
agent/operator.conductors listed them by name which I will include for
your use and handling. Best Regards, Bob M
From: Dave Lambert
<dave@dglambert.com>
To: "CBQ@yahoogroups.com" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Trains #29 and #30
Bob,
Very interesting post, thank you for it!
Are there any mail & express train consists amongst your paper?
I am a consist collector, but most of mine are from the 50s and 60s.
Thanks,
Dave Lambert
David G. Lambert
Instructor of Chemistry
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 10, 2012, at 7:37 PM, "POOTUS2010"
<bearmtnbob@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I have been going over a large lot of paperwork from the agent/operators
at Cheyenne and Chugwater, Wyoming that originated in 1917. In addition
to a large number of train register slips, there were numerous copies of
train delay and other roll-by reports as to the consists of #29 and #30
as they rolled by Chugwater. There were also numerous copies of Form 22,
which detailed the freight train consists out of Cheyenne. Each report
lists the engine, cars, conductor, brakeman and flagman as well as any
delays or problems en route (passenger got a finger caught in the
vestibule door of a chair car. Two things, albeit trivial, that stand out
is #1 Every single passenger train that went by Chugwater had an 800
consolidation on the head end (all these reports were from April, 1917)
so did every freight train except for 1 trains with more than 11 cars
which had #706 on the head end, two of those trains (18 and 21 cars) were
double-headed. If I remember correctly, CB&Q 2814? appeared on #29
once. Sometimes the registers or reports listed tonnages, other times the
number of cars were shown instead. On every single report on #29 or #30
the word "Coach" was never used once by an agent or conductor.
It was always "Chair Car" or "Chair" never
"coach" Reminds me of how we and ATS&F people always said
"Way Car" while UP and D&RGW people used
"Caboose." Another oddity is the fact that most of the
passenger train roll by inspections showed at least three heavyweight
Pullmans, usually four, and one time there were six. One has to wonder
how a 2-8-0 made time with an rpo baggage, an extra baggage car, two
chair cars and six Pullmans over that roller coaster line. Most of the
Pullmans originated in Denver, while one or two were added daily in
Cheyenne for connections to the Pacific NW, going in the opposite
direction, one or two were dropped in Cheyenne, the rest seemed destined
for the Gulf Coast via the FW&DC. Many of the "better"
Pullman cars such as the "Bruges" made their way onto these two
trains. One other interesting footnote to the operating history of the
Wyoming lines is that operators and agents often sent unuusual requests
as part of some train orders. I found operators requesting that track
forces watch for pieces of broken wheel flanges between mileposts and to
retrieve same. As an ex railroader, I can tell you they did this to
recover evidence to be used in an investigation for somebody who missed a
thin or broken flange during a running repair or inspection. Not that I
ever faced an investigation, I can assure you, really, I never, ever did,
really! I repeat this is all one form of trivia or another but it does
give a bit of life to the familiar books we use and enjoy as students of
railroad history. Best regards, Bob M
Bob Webber
Bob Webber
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