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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Visiting Colorado
From: Chris Atkins <tcatkins@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:55:47 -0500
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I guess I'll also throw my hat in for the Cumbres and Toltec. Someone once described Chama to me as being like Durango in the 60s. I love staying in the hotel across from the station and spending the morning, as the sun comes up, wandering around the yard, shooting the crews as they get the equipment ready for another day. Everyone is completely welcoming. I've always opted to take the train up Cumbres Pass from Chama and take the buss back in the evening, or change trains at lunch and return to Chama by train.

The Friends of the CATS is also a real treasure. So many structures and pieces of equipment would be lost to time if it weren't for they Friends' volunteer preservation effort. By contrast, I've always felt that if it didn't make money for the D&S, it wasn't worth saving. The Water towers and coaling facilities are a great example.

By contrast, the Disney Land like experience of the trip from Durango to Silverton is nice to do once, but the spectacular canyon scenery in all the photos lasts less than 30 minutes. Because of it's popularity, everything in Durango is fenced off and most of the relics are long gone. The town itself is a lot shinier than Chama.

I've done them both back to back, which is where I learned what my wife's limitations are regarding steam trains. ;-)

Have fun,

Chris Atkins
Lewisville, TX

On 5/11/12 12:15 AM, Jonathan Harris wrote:
 

Ray -

The amount of RR stuff to see in Colorado is so vast, I'll just confine this to the D&S vs. CATS question.

I've ridden them both several times, going back to 1960. For spectacular scenery, the D&S wins hands down, especially in September, when the aspen at higher elevations should be gorgeous. It's also less likely to be rainy then (which the western San Juans often are during the summer 'monsoon,' July and August). Silverton is a neat old town with lots of historic buildings, but very touristy and commercial. Same for Durango, but much bigger. And the first third of the trip, out of Durango, is pretty developed now (when I rode the train first in 1960, it was all open country).

What argues for CATS is the remoteness and mellowness of it all. Practically the whole 64-mile route is away from roads and civilization, so you feel much more what it would have been like 100 years ago. Chama is a quiet little place with a number of great Bed & Breakfasts within walking distance of the yards (practically everything in Chama is within walking distance of the yards). I can't remember the B&B where we stayed, but it was wonderful, clean, very nice common room with fireplace, etc., great breakfast, cooked early for us because we had to leave. And I can still remember the trout with pinyon nuts we had a local eatery the night before. You can (or could) walk around the yards without a guide or paying any money or any restrictions. A lot of the original structures are still there (the RH, coal and water facilities in Durango are gone, and the yard is completely closed to public accers except for guided tours). In Chama, when we were there, the hostlers were totally friendly, invited my wife and me up into the cab of 463, which was under steam at the time, and answered all our questions.

If you do CATS, I'd strongly recommend staying in Chama and taking the train east to west. It's an all-day, one-way affair. You get up early, take a 1.5-hr bus ride to Antonito, then spend the rest of the day working your way back to Chama. You can do it in the other direction, of course, and a lot of folks do because they want to experience the 4% climb up to the pass, but then of course you don't get to stay in Chama and explore the yards (and Antonito is not as interesting as either Chama or Durango). Moreover, you get all the spectacular stuff right at the beginning of the train trip and spend the rest of the day working your way downhill. Going east to west, you're climbing most of the trip and it just gets better and better. You start out in sagebrush steppe, work your way up through pine scrub woodlands and pine/Douglas fir forest, then along a ledge over the river, which goes on for a long time, through a couple of tunnels and past Toltec Gorge and into a hanging valley where there's a lunch stop at Osier. From there, it just keeps getting better as you go up a side valley through meadows, spruce and fir forest, and finally across Cumbres before heading down thorugh some equally beautiful country to Chama.

I'm making the case for CATS here mostly because everybody else seems to be pulling for D&S. You won't lose either way, believe me. They're both national treasures. It depends or your taste. If you want to be closer to civilization and have the most spectacular scenery, go D&S. If you want to get deeper into the railroad and get more rustic, do CATS.

Whatever you decide, you're gonna love it!
Jonathan

--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Zephyr fan" <tczephyr@...> wrote:
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> I'm planning a trip to Colorado in late Sept and have always wanted to ride one of the narrow gauge lines. Does anyone have suggestions as to which of the 2, either the Durango or the Cumbres, has the best scenery and the best for photographing? Recommendations for hotels at these sites would be helpful as well.
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> Any other near by RR sites to see? Planning on going up to Denver and will defiantly include the Colorado RR museum. Last time I was there was in 1968.
>
> Ray Bedard
> San Jose CA
>




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