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RE: [CBQ] Streamlined Jim Crow Coach

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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Streamlined Jim Crow Coach
From: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
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That definitely explains it.  While I was aware that the CB&Q provided the 
equipment for the Sam Houston Zephyr, I was not aware which equipment it was.  
Thanks.

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com> wrote:

From: HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Streamlined Jim Crow Coach
To: "CB&Q Group" <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 8:36 AM


Back from a weekend trip to find nearly a dozen messages on this subject, and 
you are all overlooking the obvious and often reported answer:  When Zephyr 
9901, running as the Sam Houston Zephyr, was destroyed by fire on Dec. 19, 
1944, the Q quickly assembled a lightweight tain powered by E5-A 9909 and 
leased it to the Burlingto-Rock Island for service as the Texas Zephyr.  That 
train entered service on Jan. 7, 1945, and consisted of baggage car 900, 
coaches 4700, 4701 and 4712, and dining-parlor-obs car 302.  The cars remained 
in Sam HoustonZephyr service for many years, and, of course, 4712-Silver Crown 
was the Jim Crow coach.  It was a great improvement over the 9901, where black 
passengers were forced to ride on makeshift seats in the baggage compartment.
 
Hol
 



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From: sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:37:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Streamlined Jim Crow Coach


  



The interesting thing about the diagram in the Passenger Car Diagrams book is 
that the window pattern of the car is no different than its sisters.  Thus the 
Jim Crow restrooms share a common window, suggesting to me that the 
configuration was an afterthought.

--- On Sat, 9/24/11, rgortowski@aol.com <rgortowski@aol.com> wrote:

From: rgortowski@aol.com <rgortowski@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Streamlined Jim Crow Coach
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 9:57 PM

  

Steven,

That has to be a mistake. In Randall's later book - "The Passenger Car Library 
- Volume 1 - CB&Q" he shows that 4712 - Silver Crown - was part of a 6 car 
order for 52 seat coaches. They we delivered in June of 1940, and the diagram 
does not show any Jim Crow facilities. I think the C&S may have had a Jim Crow 
section in a streamlined car (Sam Houston Zephyr?), but I'm not sure. My brain 
doesn't stray too far from the Illinois border... ;-)

Rich G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 24, 2011 9:13 pm
Subject: [CBQ] Streamlined Jim Crow Coach

I was looking at the plans for chair car 4712, Silver Crown, in a book of 
Burlington Passenger Car Diagrams published in the mid 80's by Railway 
Production Classics (David Randall's firm). The plans for this 1940 Budd car 
show a partitioned Jim Crow section on its vestibule end with "Negro" men's and 
women's restrooms. This is the first time I have noticed this oddity.

Why in the world would the Burlington need a Jim Crow car? I don't think any of 
the states it served had Jim Crow laws. The General Pershing Zephyr cars, which 
served Missouri, did not have Jim Crow sections.

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