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Re: [CBQ] Re: The Round-up

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: The Round-up
From: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Bob
 
I understand what you said.  I just was curious whether it was actually 
confirmed by the car itself.  I apologize if you took offense.  None was 
intended.
 
sjl

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Bob Webber <cz17@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Bob Webber <cz17@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: The Round-up
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:58 AM


  




I guess one more try.

The P-S cars that had stainless sheathing had the sheathing attached 
with clips. It wasn't welded to the side, it was simply an 
applique. With that type of attachment, especially when the 
attachment is on the flat, versicle car side, you will see water and 
other fluids run down and under it. By the time the Q received 
their cars that originally had sheathing of this type (from the 
C&NW), the sheathing was gone.

THE ROUND-UP on the other hand, was sheathed completely in stainless, 
which means that the shot-weld process was used to attach the various 
panels to each other, and the panels themselves were welded, not 
clipped, to the car side and ends. If you look at a stainless steel 
car, it is (essentially) one unit from the bottom of one side, to the 
other. So liquids can't (usually) get in behind the stainless 
siding. When the unit is basically a one piece shell, water can't 
get under it (easily). In order to get under this sort of 
construction, fluids typically get in via the windows or other body 
openings. If the shop is careful, and the openings are done with 
care, and sealed after, the possibility is a lot less.

Compare that construction with the Wabash-built "stainless" cars (one 
of which was the Busch PV). Those cars were sheathed but not 
welded. The result was a (relative to THE ROUND-UP) failure, as 
fluids got behind and the cars were in less than optimum condition 
relatively quickly.

The Q's Aurora shops were one of the more - if not the most - 
proficient railroad shop in working with stainless. They had already 
rebuilt several cars that would otherwise be totaled, built the 
pattern domes, sheathed the Zephyr backup Hudsons, and generally 
could do as well as Red Lion in terms of construction with 
stainless. I haven't heard of the pattern domes leaking, if any car 
the Q made would be susceptible to that, it was these cars (due to 
the location of the cuts (roof) and the flexing of the car in that area).

At 08:16 AM 4/19/2010, you wrote:
>Since it is a stainless steel sheathed car, how has it held up 
>regarding rusting underneath the sheathing?

Bob Webber 

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