HOL WAGNER wrote:
> This date would have been very shortly after Santa Fe dieselized the
> Colorado Springs switching assignment, with one of the 450-series
> Davenport 44-ton centercabs replacing an 825-series 0-8-0 or 2-8-0. At
> least two of the Davenports carried the Joint Line lettering and were
> used into the early 1960s, when replaced by a GE 44-tonner (still
> black/silver), then blue/yellow GE 464 and blue/yellow Baldwin DS4-4-750
> 632.
>
> Hol Wagner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>
> Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com <mailto:Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com> wrote:
> > Mark...Believe it or not I found what you wanted to know.
> >
> > August 24, 1954
> >
> > Denver-- Colo Spgs...No. 1? Texas Zephyr......My 1953 Guide
> shows...Denver 12:01 pm?? CS 1:40 pm
> >
> > Colo Spgs---Denver?? No.
> 8??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> CS??????? 6:10pm????Denver 8:05
> >
> > I may be "digging" in my slides in the next month or so and If so
> I'll try to find that slide of an ATSF center cab
> > at CS with dual?? C&S-ASF lettering.? Would have been taken that
> same day.
> >
> > Also seems like the Southbound TZ ran via the DRGW DEpot at CS
> and the Northbound No. 8 via the ATSF depot at CS.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com <mailto:Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 9:06 am
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > I can get it found, but it may take awhile...I know the year was
> 1954...think I put 55 on my original post.? The month would have
> been August.
> >
> > We came back from C. Spgs in the late afternoon...Also I'm sure
> I've got a slide of a ATSF center cab switcher at CS...It may have
> the " lettering"...I'm not sure
> >
> > Give me a few days and remind me again if you don't hear....My
> railfan buddy Jim Christen kept a "log" of ;our trips with train
> numbers etc.? I have a copy of it, if I can find it...
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Sellars <sellarsmark_aus@yahoo.com
> <mailto:sellarsmark_aus@yahoo.com>>
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 6:26 am
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> >
> > Greetings Pete,
> > How is your memory? Coudl you recall the train number, or the
> railroad and or the time of day and direction you took for your?trip
> over the Joint Line?
> > This will help me fix a bench mark for when trains carried mixed
> crews.
> > many thanks, Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com <mailto:Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>"
> <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com <mailto:Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>>
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:53:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> >
> >>From strictly memory of my one and only trip over the joint line
> in August 1955, seems I remember that on the passenger trains you
> could have a "mixed" train crew....Maybe a Q (C&S) Conductor and a
> ATSF Brakeman or two.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast <mailto:rgz17@comcast>. net>
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups>. com
> > Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 7:05 pm
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> >
> > The D&RGW / D&RG also ran the MP, CRI&P and AT&SF trains. Before the
> > Santa Fe built their line north from Colorado Springs, the D&RG
> > handled their trains - the locomotives used (and for freight, the
> > cabooses), were the first standard gauged equipment on the
> > railroad. Of course, that also meant that the D&RG line was 3 rails.
> >
> > At 06:28 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote:
> >> Greetings Russ,
> >>
> >> I have copies of the Joint Operating Agreements of 1900, 1915 and
> >> 1940. Plus the maps.
> >>
> >> Certainly the D&RG(W) always (beware of Murphy's Law) ran their
> own trains.
> >>
> >> And I believe that the C&S and the AT&SF did too, for a while, then
> >> the AT&SF crews took over (I am not looking at the post merger
> period here).
> >> (I am not sure about what happened when the CRI&P and Colorado
> >> Midland used their landlord's tracks.)
> >>
> >> You are right; the the C&S handled all Denver area engine
> servicing,
> >> yards (including the AT&SF yards whilst they existed), and locals
> >> north of South Denver for the AT&SF and the C&S.
> >>
> >> And that the AT&SF handled similar business in Colorado Springs
> and Pueblo.
> >>
> >> Lloyd Stagner confirmed that the respective railroads crewed their
> >> own way cars until the 1940s.
> >> But what happened after that I don't know.
> >>
> >> Russ, many thanks for your input.
> >>
> >> Regards, Mark
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Russ Strodtz <borneo@19main <mailto:borneo@19main>. com>
> >> To: CBQ@yahoogroups <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups>. com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:02:53 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> Might be confused many time here. AT&SF, C&S, and D&RGW all had
> >> their own Denver to Pueblo. Except for a small North and small South
> >> C&S everything was scrapped. Look at the maps.
> >>
> >> C&S got all yard areas at the Denver Terminal. AT&SF got the
> >> Colorado Springs and Pueblo yard. This was all agreed.
> >>
> >> As information current as BNSF runs Denver-LaJunta- Amarillo. Only
> >> crews and all run East. Runs Amarillo-Trinidad- Denver. This crews
> >> handle everything West. There is a small local that runs Pueblo
> >> to LaJunta. Locals can also run BNSF to get from West, Amarillo
> >> via Dalhart-Stratford- back to Amarillo on UP trackage. That keeps
> >> everything going still West and then East.
> >>
> >> Part of change was Eastbound at Las Animas is on strait line to
> >> Boise City and Amarillo. Las Animas to Dodge City is now turning
> >> to go to the South and East. Everything is still at Las Animas, it
> >> just has the turns different directions. There are a few odd runs
> >> that have to go to Pueblo-West. Did try it to Trinidad but it was
> >> not been very good. With Trinidad to Raton sold I don't think they
> >> can run that way.
> >>
> >> Russ
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Mark Sellars
> >> To: CBQ@yahoogroups <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups>. com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008 03:32
> >> Subject: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> >>
> >> Greetings All,
> >>
> >> Pardon me if I have asked this question before.
> >>
> >> The Joint Line ran between South Denver and Pueblo, Colorado.
> >> In 1899, with subsequent renewals in 1900, 1915 etc, the Colorado &
> >> Southern and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe signed a Joint
> >> Operating Agreement which amongst other thing allowed the C&S to
> use
> >> AT&SF [and later, after October 1918, D&RG(W)] trackage between
> >> South Denver and Pueblo.
> >>
> >> Initially C&S trains were crewed by C&S engine men (probably) and
> >> C&S way cars were crewed by C&S men.
> >> Sometime in the 1950s(??) the C&S men lost their crewing rights
> to AT&SF men.
> >> Can anyone shed light on what happened to cause this and why?
> >>
> >> As a matter of interest, AT&SF C&S way cars were assigned to trains
> >> according to their place on the roster. That is way cars form one
> >> company frequently brought up the rear of the other's trains; for
> >> good measure occasionally way cars from each company were assigned.
> >>
> >> Regards, Mark Sellars
> >> Adelaide, South Australia.
> >>
> >
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