Bob,
This is worth looking into. I have yet to hear from Stephanie. I have
called again today and left a message. I intend to call again this
afternoon or I just may go over there and speak to the manager...
As to a meeting date for us...This week is out but next week will work.
I would prefer to meet during the day so pick one.
Pat
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From: <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
> Mark
>
> I can get it found, but it may take awhile...I know the year was
> 1954...think I put 55 on my original post.? The month would have been
> August.
>
> We came back from C. Spgs in the late afternoon...Also I'm sure I've got a
> slide of a ATSF center cab switcher at CS...It may have the "
> lettering"...I'm not sure
>
> Give me a few days and remind me again if you don't hear....My railfan
> buddy Jim Christen kept a "log" of ;our trips with train numbers etc.? I
> have a copy of it, if I can find it...
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sellars <sellarsmark_aus@yahoo.com>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 6:26 am
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>
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> Greetings Pete,
> How is your memory? Coudl you recall the train number, or the railroad and
> or the time of day and direction you took for your?trip over the Joint
> Line?
> This will help me fix a bench mark for when trains carried mixed crews.
> many thanks, Mark
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com" <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:53:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>
> From strictly memory of my one and only trip over the joint line in August
> 1955, seems I remember that on the passenger trains you could have a
> "mixed" train crew....Maybe a Q (C&S) Conductor and a ATSF Brakeman or
> two.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast. net>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 7:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
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> The D&RGW / D&RG also ran the MP, CRI&P and AT&SF trains. Before the
> Santa Fe built their line north from Colorado Springs, the D&RG
> handled their trains - the locomotives used (and for freight, the
> cabooses), were the first standard gauged equipment on the
> railroad. Of course, that also meant that the D&RG line was 3 rails.
>
> At 06:28 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote:
>>Greetings Russ,
>>
>>I have copies of the Joint Operating Agreements of 1900, 1915 and
>>1940. Plus the maps.
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>>Certainly the D&RG(W) always (beware of Murphy's Law) ran their own
>>trains.
>>
>>And I believe that the C&S and the AT&SF did too, for a while, then
>>the AT&SF crews took over (I am not looking at the post merger period
>>here).
>>(I am not sure about what happened when the CRI&P and Colorado
>>Midland used their landlord's tracks.)
>>
>>You are right; the the C&S handled all Denver area engine servicing,
>>yards (including the AT&SF yards whilst they existed), and locals
>>north of South Denver for the AT&SF and the C&S.
>>
>>And that the AT&SF handled similar business in Colorado Springs and
>>Pueblo.
>>
>>Lloyd Stagner confirmed that the respective railroads crewed their
>>own way cars until the 1940s.
>>But what happened after that I don't know.
>>
>>Russ, many thanks for your input.
>>
>>Regards, Mark
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Russ Strodtz <borneo@19main. com>
>>To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:02:53 PM
>>Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>>
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>>Mark,
>>
>>Might be confused many time here. AT&SF, C&S, and D&RGW all had
>>their own Denver to Pueblo. Except for a small North and small South
>>C&S everything was scrapped. Look at the maps.
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>>C&S got all yard areas at the Denver Terminal. AT&SF got the
>>Colorado Springs and Pueblo yard. This was all agreed.
>>
>>As information current as BNSF runs Denver-LaJunta- Amarillo. Only
>>crews and all run East. Runs Amarillo-Trinidad- Denver. This crews
>>handle everything West. There is a small local that runs Pueblo
>>to LaJunta. Locals can also run BNSF to get from West, Amarillo
>>via Dalhart-Stratford- back to Amarillo on UP trackage. That keeps
>>everything going still West and then East.
>>
>>Part of change was Eastbound at Las Animas is on strait line to
>>Boise City and Amarillo. Las Animas to Dodge City is now turning
>>to go to the South and East. Everything is still at Las Animas, it
>>just has the turns different directions. There are a few odd runs
>>that have to go to Pueblo-West. Did try it to Trinidad but it was
>>not been very good. With Trinidad to Raton sold I don't think they
>>can run that way.
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Mark Sellars
>>To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
>>Sent: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008 03:32
>>Subject: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>>
>>Greetings All,
>>
>>Pardon me if I have asked this question before.
>>
>>The Joint Line ran between South Denver and Pueblo, Colorado.
>>In 1899, with subsequent renewals in 1900, 1915 etc, the Colorado &
>>Southern and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe signed a Joint
>>Operating Agreement which amongst other thing allowed the C&S to use
>>AT&SF [and later, after October 1918, D&RG(W)] trackage between
>>South Denver and Pueblo.
>>
>>Initially C&S trains were crewed by C&S engine men (probably) and
>>C&S way cars were crewed by C&S men.
>>Sometime in the 1950s(??) the C&S men lost their crewing rights to AT&SF
>>men.
>>Can anyone shed light on what happened to cause this and why?
>>
>>As a matter of interest, AT&SF C&S way cars were assigned to trains
>>according to their place on the roster. That is way cars form one
>>company frequently brought up the rear of the other's trains; for
>>good measure occasionally way cars from each company were assigned.
>>
>>Regards, Mark Sellars
>>Adelaide, South Australia.
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