Rupert,
Thank you. The information that the cars were coaches before
being "observation cars" would seem to imply that the cars were
either rebuilt to roofless open air "observation" cars or an
observation platform was constructed at one end of the coach. Both
types of conversions were taking place in the early 1900's on
Colorado railroads. If the original 2 coaches were built around 1891
then they may have been constructed with narrow vestibules or may
have been built without any vestibules at all, which would seem the
more probable scenario. I concur it is unusual for cars that were
only 17 years old to disappear, yet if they were "observation" cars
one would think they would be traceable after 1908 if they remained
on the Q's roster so perhaps the cars were older than 17 years
and /or they must have been useless or unstisfactory as "observation"
cars for one reason or another.
Thanks againm your information has been enlightening.
Michael Grenstedt
St. Louis, MO
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:
>
> Michael
>
> According to Bill Glick's Passenger Car Roster book, 700 and 701
were
> "observation cars" that had been renumbered from B&MR 104-105, but
there is
> no other information in the book about them. They first appeared
with these
> numbers in the ORER's in 1904, when the bulk of subsidiary
equipment (both
> freight and passenger) was renumbered, or at least had new numbers
allocated
> within the CB&Q numbering system. They were still listed in mid-
1907 but had
> disappeared from the roster by the beginning of 1908.
>
> Working backwards, the only B&MR cars with the required numbers in
the 1903
> ORER was for "coaches" with no indication as to their construction,
and
> these cars first appeared in the 1891 ORER. Assuming that they were
new in
> 1891 (as opposed to being renumbered from another subsidiary,
etc.), they
> were only 17 years old when they "disappeared", suggesting a
further
> renumbering, but there is nothing in Bill's Roster to support this
> contention.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Rupert Gamlen
> Auckland NZ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Victor" <michaelvictorg@...>
> To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:29 PM
> Subject: [CBQ] Burlington Observation cars 700 & 701
>
>
> In the 1905 Official Railway Equipment Register are listed 2 cars
that
> I am interested in learning more about; they are CB&Q 700 & 701,
they
> are listed as observation cars. I have checked Pullman and AC&F lot
> lists and can't find anything on these cars.
> What kind of observation cars were they? Café? Parlor? Open air
> excursion types?
> Who built them and when?
> I haven't found any indication from the 1910 Official Guide I have
on
> what train they were used.
> On which train were they used?
> What happened to them, (no 700 or 701 is listed in the 1926 ORER I
> have.)
> Michael Grenstedt
> St. Louis, MO
>
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