Rob;
Was it really so simple as gold leaf for passenger equipment and Dulux
for freight, especially the earlier years that Tom models? I model the
1930's and based on what I've been learned in several inquiries, the
bronze gold (leaf) would be appropriate for quite a variety of equipment
including freight engines, though probably/perhaps not switchers. Since
I have a bunch of engines to paint, I'd love to hear from any Q experts
who might be able to shed additional light on this topic.
Kind regards, Rob Adams
robev1630@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Tom,
> Jim Miller told me once that the Gold leaf was for Passenger equipment
> and Dulux Gold was for freight.
> I was going to tell you to trim the red also. You could try to color
> the white with a pantone marker to yellow it up. If you don't have an
> art store nearby you could try Dick Blick of Galesburg fame. Bev says
> Prismacolor and Letraset Tria markers are what you would need.
>
> Rob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: captmix
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:10 AM
> Subject: [CBQ] Re: Freight engine lettering in the 1930's.
>
> Thanks for your reply, Rob. Right now I am looking at a pretty clear
> black and white photo in Locomotive Quarterly, Spring 2000, showing
> Mogul #1212 in 1930. There appears to be an outside narrow band (red?)
> next to a white, or gold, narrow band. If it was gold then I assume
> the BR trade mark lettering was also gold? I may try and use the
> incorrect Champ decals by trimming the wide red band but there is a
> black narrow band in there and the size would be smaller than 3x2
> feet. I did think of using the black freight car decal but then the
> lettering would be white and numbers gold.
>
> When ever I finish the 2-6-2 and paint it I will solve this whole
> problem by lettering it as it was in the 1920's with the large engine
> numbers on the tender sides...which I assume was gold? But at the
> moment it is that USRA 2-8-2 that needs to be properly attired.
>
> Tom Mix
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>, Rob Adams
> <steamera@...> wrote:
> >
> > Tom;
> >
> > Perhaps another member can provide additional information, but I'll
> > contribute what I have been able to sort out.
> >
> > I've kicked this question around many times myself, since I model the
> > late 1930's. By some point in the 1930's (if not earlier), there
> > definitely was a narrow red band around the perimeter of the Burlington
> > Route herald. I have a photo of K-2 666 at Dubuque, dated 6/1934. The
> > gold frame of the herald definitely has the halo around it, and the
> gold
> > frame is narrow. Perhaps I'm all wet, but the very early BR heralds on
> > locos appear in photos to have a wider gold frame and no red border. I
> > have no data to support this, but that's the way they look. I have a
> > very clear photo of S-2A 2919 taken in 1937, and it appears to be
> > wearing that style. (To my knowledge no such decal exists in any of
> the
> > scales)
> >
> > Regardless, for O scale I'd either:
> > 1. If the Champ herald can be cut down to approximately 3ft wide by
> 2ft
> > 6 inches tall by narrowing the red band, then I'd trim the red
> border to
> > be approximately the same width as the gold frame.
> > 2. Otherwise, ditch the heralds in the Champ set (which
> incidentally in
> > HO are also not accurate for most engines except perhaps in later
> > years.) Microscale doesn't seem to list a steam set for 1:48, but does
> > have a diesel switcher set with heralds that are probably close (based
> > on the image on their web site and the heralds in my Microscale early Q
> > switcher set). They don't have a black background, but since you'd be
> > applying them to a black tender, it wouldn't matter. They appear to
> > have the right proportions (comparing with my MS steam set), and they
> > have a narrow red band surrounding a narrow gold frame.
> >
> > OR
> > 3. If any one can confirm the existance of an "all gold with wider
> > frame" herald, you could probably use the roadname lettering out of the
> > center of the Champ herald and fabricate your own frame from suitable
> > stripes. Tedious and time consuming, but in O scale, probably not so
> > brutal.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Best regards, Rob
> >
> > captmix wrote:
> >
> > > I am ready to decal an O scale heavy USRA 2-8-2 but need some info on
> > > that "trade mark" emblem on the tender sides. In all of the black and
> > > white photos of freight engines during that period there definitely
> > > was no wide red border as was used after 1940.
> > >
> > > But was there a thin red border or, as it appears in old photos, an
> > > emblem the same as on freight cars? I have a number of Champ decals
> > > for steamers but all have that wide red band. The painting diagram
> > > from 1925 also does not show a wide band.
> > >
> > > So, what did that 1930's freight loco trade mark look like? Does
> > > anyone have a close-up photo from the period?
> > >
> > > Tom Mix
> > >
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> > Rob Adams
> > Wellman, IA
> > steamera@...
> > Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
> > the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch,
> > and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
> > <http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com <http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>>
> >
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--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch,
and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>
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