Tom,
Jim Miller told me once that the Gold leaf was for Passenger equipment and
Dulux Gold was for freight.
I was going to tell you to trim the red also. You could try to color the white
with a pantone marker to yellow it up. If you don't have an art store nearby
you could try Dick Blick of Galesburg fame. Bev says Prismacolor and Letraset
Tria markers are what you would need.
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: captmix
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Freight engine lettering in the 1930's.
Thanks for your reply, Rob. Right now I am looking at a pretty clear
black and white photo in Locomotive Quarterly, Spring 2000, showing
Mogul #1212 in 1930. There appears to be an outside narrow band (red?)
next to a white, or gold, narrow band. If it was gold then I assume
the BR trade mark lettering was also gold? I may try and use the
incorrect Champ decals by trimming the wide red band but there is a
black narrow band in there and the size would be smaller than 3x2
feet. I did think of using the black freight car decal but then the
lettering would be white and numbers gold.
When ever I finish the 2-6-2 and paint it I will solve this whole
problem by lettering it as it was in the 1920's with the large engine
numbers on the tender sides...which I assume was gold? But at the
moment it is that USRA 2-8-2 that needs to be properly attired.
Tom Mix
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:
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> Tom;
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> Perhaps another member can provide additional information, but I'll
> contribute what I have been able to sort out.
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> I've kicked this question around many times myself, since I model the
> late 1930's. By some point in the 1930's (if not earlier), there
> definitely was a narrow red band around the perimeter of the Burlington
> Route herald. I have a photo of K-2 666 at Dubuque, dated 6/1934. The
> gold frame of the herald definitely has the halo around it, and the
gold
> frame is narrow. Perhaps I'm all wet, but the very early BR heralds on
> locos appear in photos to have a wider gold frame and no red border. I
> have no data to support this, but that's the way they look. I have a
> very clear photo of S-2A 2919 taken in 1937, and it appears to be
> wearing that style. (To my knowledge no such decal exists in any of
the
> scales)
>
> Regardless, for O scale I'd either:
> 1. If the Champ herald can be cut down to approximately 3ft wide by
2ft
> 6 inches tall by narrowing the red band, then I'd trim the red
border to
> be approximately the same width as the gold frame.
> 2. Otherwise, ditch the heralds in the Champ set (which
incidentally in
> HO are also not accurate for most engines except perhaps in later
> years.) Microscale doesn't seem to list a steam set for 1:48, but does
> have a diesel switcher set with heralds that are probably close (based
> on the image on their web site and the heralds in my Microscale early Q
> switcher set). They don't have a black background, but since you'd be
> applying them to a black tender, it wouldn't matter. They appear to
> have the right proportions (comparing with my MS steam set), and they
> have a narrow red band surrounding a narrow gold frame.
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> OR
> 3. If any one can confirm the existance of an "all gold with wider
> frame" herald, you could probably use the roadname lettering out of the
> center of the Champ herald and fabricate your own frame from suitable
> stripes. Tedious and time consuming, but in O scale, probably not so
> brutal.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Best regards, Rob
>
> captmix wrote:
>
> > I am ready to decal an O scale heavy USRA 2-8-2 but need some info on
> > that "trade mark" emblem on the tender sides. In all of the black and
> > white photos of freight engines during that period there definitely
> > was no wide red border as was used after 1940.
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> > But was there a thin red border or, as it appears in old photos, an
> > emblem the same as on freight cars? I have a number of Champ decals
> > for steamers but all have that wide red band. The painting diagram
> > from 1925 also does not show a wide band.
> >
> > So, what did that 1930's freight loco trade mark look like? Does
> > anyone have a close-up photo from the period?
> >
> > Tom Mix
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> Rob Adams
> Wellman, IA
> steamera@...
> Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
> the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch,
> and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
> <http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>
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