Thanks for your reply, Rob. Right now I am looking at a pretty clear
black and white photo in Locomotive Quarterly, Spring 2000, showing
Mogul #1212 in 1930. There appears to be an outside narrow band (red?)
next to a white, or gold, narrow band. If it was gold then I assume
the BR trade mark lettering was also gold? I may try and use the
incorrect Champ decals by trimming the wide red band but there is a
black narrow band in there and the size would be smaller than 3x2
feet. I did think of using the black freight car decal but then the
lettering would be white and numbers gold.
When ever I finish the 2-6-2 and paint it I will solve this whole
problem by lettering it as it was in the 1920's with the large engine
numbers on the tender sides...which I assume was gold? But at the
moment it is that USRA 2-8-2 that needs to be properly attired.
Tom Mix
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:
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> Tom;
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> Perhaps another member can provide additional information, but I'll
> contribute what I have been able to sort out.
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> I've kicked this question around many times myself, since I model the
> late 1930's. By some point in the 1930's (if not earlier), there
> definitely was a narrow red band around the perimeter of the Burlington
> Route herald. I have a photo of K-2 666 at Dubuque, dated 6/1934. The
> gold frame of the herald definitely has the halo around it, and the
gold
> frame is narrow. Perhaps I'm all wet, but the very early BR heralds on
> locos appear in photos to have a wider gold frame and no red border. I
> have no data to support this, but that's the way they look. I have a
> very clear photo of S-2A 2919 taken in 1937, and it appears to be
> wearing that style. (To my knowledge no such decal exists in any of
the
> scales)
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> Regardless, for O scale I'd either:
> 1. If the Champ herald can be cut down to approximately 3ft wide by
2ft
> 6 inches tall by narrowing the red band, then I'd trim the red
border to
> be approximately the same width as the gold frame.
> 2. Otherwise, ditch the heralds in the Champ set (which
incidentally in
> HO are also not accurate for most engines except perhaps in later
> years.) Microscale doesn't seem to list a steam set for 1:48, but does
> have a diesel switcher set with heralds that are probably close (based
> on the image on their web site and the heralds in my Microscale early Q
> switcher set). They don't have a black background, but since you'd be
> applying them to a black tender, it wouldn't matter. They appear to
> have the right proportions (comparing with my MS steam set), and they
> have a narrow red band surrounding a narrow gold frame.
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> OR
> 3. If any one can confirm the existance of an "all gold with wider
> frame" herald, you could probably use the roadname lettering out of the
> center of the Champ herald and fabricate your own frame from suitable
> stripes. Tedious and time consuming, but in O scale, probably not so
> brutal.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Best regards, Rob
>
> captmix wrote:
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> > I am ready to decal an O scale heavy USRA 2-8-2 but need some info on
> > that "trade mark" emblem on the tender sides. In all of the black and
> > white photos of freight engines during that period there definitely
> > was no wide red border as was used after 1940.
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> > But was there a thin red border or, as it appears in old photos, an
> > emblem the same as on freight cars? I have a number of Champ decals
> > for steamers but all have that wide red band. The painting diagram
> > from 1925 also does not show a wide band.
> >
> > So, what did that 1930's freight loco trade mark look like? Does
> > anyone have a close-up photo from the period?
> >
> > Tom Mix
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> Rob Adams
> Wellman, IA
> steamera@...
> Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
> the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch,
> and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
> <http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>
>
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