Most of my information was gleaned from the BRHS Conductor Book reprints.
Charlie Vlk
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From: "jobbox123" <jobbox123@yahoo.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:41 AM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Late 60's California Zephyr consists
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> Good info .... Actually my repsonse should have stated that I was
> referring to a first section consist and yes, I neglected to mention
> the inclusion of foreign road sleepers and coaches and tourist
> additions: these give you quite a bit of leeway in modeling .... but
> there were also times during the year when these additions were not
> present - plenty of photo info to back this up. I rode the CZ once
> during the sixties and the consist on that run was a pure CZ trainset
> except for a single prr car.
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> My opinion about the "stability" of the consist was really aimed at
> comparisons to trains like the twin cities and other cb&q trains and
> the combined operations on the NCL / EB/ twin cities where I have seen
> all types of "pool" cars ... but its good to know that there was much
> use of the pool on the cal zephyr.
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> The business about the second section on the CZ is new to me: where
> would I find more information and photos about this ? Also since you
> appear to have done a lot of research on the CZ, do you know then the
> changes I mentioned were applied to the cars - or If I am even correct
> concering the changes of the full-width diaphragms and dome wipers ?
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> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@c...> wrote:
> > > The Cal Zephyr (unlike some of the other CB&Q trains) had a remarkably
> > > stable consist over its cb&q lifetime .... Just a few sleeper changes
> > > - conversions to coaches I believe of the 16 sections ....
> >
> > Yes and no.....
> > The mix of individual cars in the consist rotated in and out
> constantly due
> > to routine maintenance and repairs. So for the purposes of the original
> > question, the consist was not really stable at all. As far as I
> have been
> > able to determine no "pure" consist of one railroad's cars ever ran as a
> > full train (the exhibition trains were not full CZs).
> > Recently there was a post of a Western Electric ad (I believe)
> stating that
> > the CB&Q equipped all its postwar trains with the P/A / Audio system
> used on
> > the CZ.... so CB&Q cars could run (and subsequent research showed
> they did
> > regularly)
> > in the CZ without disrupting the train announcement / entertainment
> system.
> > I suspect that since the TCZ and other Zephyrs had the system that the
> > prewar Budd pool cars and probably the modernized heavyweight
> coaches were
> > also wired....
> > In researching CZ consists for BLI for their upcoming release I had
> a hard
> > time finding a pure CZ trainset. Foreign road sleepers and even
> coaches and
> > non-CZ Q equipment was quite common, at least after the first few
> years. At
> > any rate, the second section of the train could carry anything,
> including
> > RPOs and heavyweight baggage cars and were a dog's breakfast of
> stuff pulled
> > out of 14th Street!!
> > The accommodations did remain fairly stable minus adjustments for
> season,
> > regular passenger load and special movements....
> > the only real changes were the addition of the 6 DB 5 Compartment
> and new
> > floorplan 10-6 sleepers and a single additional 16 section sleeper
> in 1952
> > 16 section sleeper. Pool cars with the ArkSarBen, American Royal
> Zephyr and
> > Kansas City Zephyrs augmented the cars added in 1952. As previously
> noted,
> > the 16 section cars were later converted to coaches and repositioned
> in the
> > consist as government travel shifted to the airlines.
> > Charlie Vlk
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