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From: PSHedgpeth@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:30:11 EDT
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All right you old guys...now that we have some conversation going about real 
railroading here's a little something to continue the thread.

I'm just getting into BB No. 42...I'm following my usual procedure...read the 
stuff I'm interested in first...in this case it was the "and then disaster 
struck section" and then go back to the beginning and read through as much as I 
can digest at one sitting.

Let's go to Page 40:  two photos...Caption reads in part:  "In both cases the 
locomotives are flying flags that appear to be white, indicating an extra 
train, and since both trains seem to have a full complement of coaches and 
sleepers they don't appear to have run in two sections.  Perhaps timetable 
authority 
 was net yet ion place for the eastbound run---unlikely, but a possibilty"..

I don't have a 1930 Employee TT for the Denver-Akron Sub so I can't verify 
whether or not the schedules were in the TT...If someone does let's check it 
out.

However...I don't think that the flags are "white"...if you look closely you 
can see that they are not one color, but appear to have some kind of "sineage" 
on them...I think that they are some kind of commemorative flags for the new 
train...If you look closely (especially at the bottom photo) it appears that 
on the left (fireman's) side there are three distinct images...Doesn't the 
bottom one look like a Burlington Route Herald??  How about  a flag 
commemorating 
the three WP, DRGW, CB&Q roads operating the train....That's what I think.

Another reason to think that the trains are not running as extras is that the 
classification lights ...just under the flags don't appear to be lit....I'm 
not sure, but I believe that under the rules in effect at that time when flags 
(white for extra trains and green for all but the last section when trains 
were run in more than one section) were used that the classification lights 
were 
to be lighted as well....I have a 1929 rule book but haven't dug it out to 
check..I will do so.
You old guys remember that probably sometime in the 1950's the use of flags 
was discontinued and only the white or green classification lights were used... 
 It seems like the use of green flags continued on beyond the use of white 
flags....I recall one of the reasons for discontinuing white flags was that 
they 
were always dirty...and the statement was made that "a dirty white flag looks 
just like a dirty green flag.

Just as an aside, I wonder if anyone has wondered as I have from time to 
time, when the use of the headlight at all times...day and nite was 
begun...When 
you look at old pictures such as the ones here, you never see headlights 
lighted in daytime as ;you do now...

Let's have a little conversation from you old OP, TRAINMEN AND ENGINEMEN re 
the flags in photos on Page 40.

BTW take a look at the left hand photo across the page...see the somewhat 
famous Velma McPeek...don't think I've ever seen a photo of her...She was one 
of 
the first...if not THE FIRST woman to hold any kind of executive position on 
the Q or perhaps on any railroad.
My grandfather was probably one of the most sexist and racist people I've 
ever known..we always said he had three sets of rules...One for men...one for 
women and one for himself  the latter excluded him from compliance with any 
rules 
which he established for women or other men...In a rare, for him, exception 
to his own rules...he seemed to think that Velma was OK...I remember him often 
referring to her.

BTW again John M. while I'm here...If you haven't ordered the Dispatcher CD's 
the address is Tom Garrett,  PO Box 11331. Spokane WA 99211...Price is $25.00 
which, apparently includes shipping.

Pete



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