Pete
They look white to me. I think they are running as an
extra, and I'll tell you why, just a theory mind you.
The train departed Denver on a Monday and the new TT
didn't go into effect until the following Sunday.
Remember TT's always go into effect on Sunday! If it
went into effect on the 11th, then the DS would have
to annull it on the first day. I guess they thought it
was easier to run it as an extra all week. As to the
headlight in the daytime. When the new rule book came
in 1952, the practice went system-wide. Before that it
was established by Div. Bulletin. On the Breadstown
Div., I have the 1951 Bulletin. When class. flags were
authorized, it was flags or lights, not both.
--- PSHedgpeth@aol.com wrote:
> All right you old guys...now that we have some
> conversation going about real
> railroading here's a little something to continue
> the thread.
>
> I'm just getting into BB No. 42...I'm following my
> usual procedure...read the
> stuff I'm interested in first...in this case it was
> the "and then disaster
> struck section" and then go back to the beginning
> and read through as much as I
> can digest at one sitting.
>
> Let's go to Page 40: two photos...Caption reads in
> part: "In both cases the
> locomotives are flying flags that appear to be
> white, indicating an extra
> train, and since both trains seem to have a full
> complement of coaches and
> sleepers they don't appear to have run in two
> sections. Perhaps timetable authority
> was net yet ion place for the eastbound
> run---unlikely, but a possibilty"..
>
> I don't have a 1930 Employee TT for the Denver-Akron
> Sub so I can't verify
> whether or not the schedules were in the TT...If
> someone does let's check it
> out.
>
> However...I don't think that the flags are
> "white"...if you look closely you
> can see that they are not one color, but appear to
> have some kind of "sineage"
> on them...I think that they are some kind of
> commemorative flags for the new
> train...If you look closely (especially at the
> bottom photo) it appears that
> on the left (fireman's) side there are three
> distinct images...Doesn't the
> bottom one look like a Burlington Route Herald??
> How about a flag commemorating
> the three WP, DRGW, CB&Q roads operating the
> train....That's what I think.
>
> Another reason to think that the trains are not
> running as extras is that the
> classification lights ...just under the flags don't
> appear to be lit....I'm
> not sure, but I believe that under the rules in
> effect at that time when flags
> (white for extra trains and green for all but the
> last section when trains
> were run in more than one section) were used that
> the classification lights were
> to be lighted as well....I have a 1929 rule book but
> haven't dug it out to
> check..I will do so.
> You old guys remember that probably sometime in the
> 1950's the use of flags
> was discontinued and only the white or green
> classification lights were used...
> It seems like the use of green flags continued on
> beyond the use of white
> flags....I recall one of the reasons for
> discontinuing white flags was that they
> were always dirty...and the statement was made that
> "a dirty white flag looks
> just like a dirty green flag.
>
> Just as an aside, I wonder if anyone has wondered as
> I have from time to
> time, when the use of the headlight at all
> times...day and nite was begun...When
> you look at old pictures such as the ones here, you
> never see headlights
> lighted in daytime as ;you do now...
>
> Let's have a little conversation from you old OP,
> TRAINMEN AND ENGINEMEN re
> the flags in photos on Page 40.
>
> BTW take a look at the left hand photo across the
> page...see the somewhat
> famous Velma McPeek...don't think I've ever seen a
> photo of her...She was one of
> the first...if not THE FIRST woman to hold any kind
> of executive position on
> the Q or perhaps on any railroad.
> My grandfather was probably one of the most sexist
> and racist people I've
> ever known..we always said he had three sets of
> rules...One for men...one for
> women and one for himself the latter excluded him
> from compliance with any rules
> which he established for women or other men...In a
> rare, for him, exception
> to his own rules...he seemed to think that Velma was
> OK...I remember him often
> referring to her.
>
> BTW again John M. while I'm here...If you haven't
> ordered the Dispatcher CD's
> the address is Tom Garrett, PO Box 11331. Spokane
> WA 99211...Price is $25.00
> which, apparently includes shipping.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
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>
>
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