Russell-
My face is red. I have the Overton book, of course, but haven't looked at
it for years. I will bring it upstairs and start reading it again. Thanks
for the information. I didn't recall that Overton's book had that level of
detail in it.
I have too many irons in the fire right now, but one of my long term goals
is to obtain copies of the W.W.Baldwin CB&Q Corporate Histories and have it
made into CDrom versions. If anybody else thinks this would be worthwhile I
have had discussions with some companies that do that sort of work and the
cost is not out of sight.
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Strodtz" <vlbg@e...>
To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Chicago, Burlington and Northern
> Charlie,
>
> Overton indicates that they had a particular person in
> mind to run the CB&N , (Albert E. Touzalin), and that
> during and after the construction phase he just became
> too independent. He made the Boston people nervous
> but with all the money spent they just had to run with
> what they set up. Mr Overton does not indicate any
> direction from the North in this venture and in fact when
> things started falling apart Hill turned down a complicated
> request to share ownership in the CB&N.
>
> The CB&Q Management had failed terribly with their first
> try at going North, (the River Roads scandal), and Perkins
> did not feel that they could manage to run the CB&Q and
> build and establish another large extension. Having got
> badly burned the first time Forbes agreed so that's the way
> it went. CB&Q did not have a majority of the CB&N stock
> until 1890 so for five years Touzalin ran his own railroad,
> (he died in 1889), while Forbes sat in Boston and fumed.
> The CMStP&P and the C&NW both blamed the CB&Q for
> the rate instability and threatened retaliation elsewhere.
>
> In some ways they were lucky to have retained control.
> This was the same era where they had lost the Hannibal
> and St Joseph and had to fight to get it back.
>
> The first attempt to go North in 1875 caused the early
> retirement of James F. Joy and a total reshuffle of the
> board of directors. The second attempt created a lot of
> enemies. It's surprising they ever got to St Paul at all.
>
> Isn't reading "Burlington Route" a pre-requisite to joining
> this list?
>
> Russ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@a...>
> To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 15 November, 2002 14:47
> Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Chicago, Burlington and Northern
>
>
> > I am still stumped as to why the CB&N, at the late date it was formed
and
> > built, had independent designs for its equipment and structures. The
much
> > earlier B&MR and other subsidiaries were Aurora and Chicago designs all
> the
> > way.
> > I think the NP was involved behind the scenes and there must have been
> some
> > consideration to the CB&N, at least before it actually was put into
> > operation, as being an extension of the NP south rather than the Q
north.
> > We know the NP wasn't always a team player (as evidenced by the Chicago
&
> > Northern Pacific venture and the much later routing of NP trains into
> > Chicago and Northwestern Terminal (over the C&NW???) Maybe there might
be
> > something in the executive letter folios at the Newberry....
> > Charlie Vlk
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