Ok, no later than 4:30 at Woodman’s.
> On Jun 15, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Warren Hanson via groups.io
> <cbq4630=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Leo,
> I never get tired of your knowledge! It might not be of importance to my RR
> but I always learn something from you
>
> Tanks!
>
> Warren
>> On Jun 15, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Leo Phillipp via groups.io
>> <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I worked at UTLX for 21&1/4 years. The asphalt being discussed shipped in
>> tank cars was/is a very thick,viscous liquid when loaded. It tends to set up
>> under shipment and harden so that is why it is shipped in insulated and
>> heater coiled cars. The product needs to be reheated to unload. At the
>> asphalt plant it is combined with various aggregates depending on the
>> specifications of the end user to make the asphalt that becomes a hard
>> surface road.
>>
>> To give you some idea of how viscous and hard asphalt becomes in a tank car;
>> many,many times I approved manual labor charges to scrape asphalt off the
>> interior of tank shells. This would be after a diesel rinse. If there was
>> still too much asphalt residue after a diesel rinse and scraping the next
>> step was an interior blast with sand and/or steel grit.
>>
>> Depending on the age of these 10,000 gallon cars the older ones would have
>> interior heater pipes and cars built starting in the late 50s or so would
>> have exterior coils. The interior pipes literally ran inside the tanks along
>> the walls just above the center line
>> Of the car and came out at the ends. They were maintenance headaches as they
>> corroded and allowed commodity to get into the pipes and then the cars would
>> not heat properly.
>> Exterior coils are welded to the exterior of the tank under the insulation
>> and jacket. Their connections are at the bottom center of the tank. They
>> also eventually corrode and then it’s a hunt to find where the leaks are and
>> tear off jacket and insulation.
>> Tom, states the models are of class X-3 which is a very earlier class Of
>> tanks before they were reclassified to 103W and then later still to
>> 111A100w3.
>>
>> Tom states these cars moved on #97 from Galesburg so they might have come
>> from Whiting which was served by the “J” now CN.
>> But that would be a round about routing instead
>> Of going “J” to Eola and being picked up there by the other #97 out of
>> Cicero. Yes there were two #97s one from Galesburg and one from Cicero. See
>> Your ETTs.
>>
>> Yes, I’m sure in the old days 97 picked up at Eola. When that stopped I’m
>> not sure. But I’ve talked with more than one old Eola/Q switchman who spoke
>> of it. So I suspect these loads generated west or south of Galesburg.
>>
>> John D Rockefeller and his Standard Oil managers started UTLX as UTL. It
>> pretty much controlled the supply of tank cars. There was
>> Much in the way of rebates,kickbacks,etc from the RRa to Standard and
>> finally the govt forced Standard to spinoff UTL. If you can find a copy of
>> “John D Rockefellers Secret Weapon” your in for lots of lessons about tank
>> car and business history. It is the official corporate history published by
>> UTLX.
>> So be prepared for a rather detailed read without hardly any photos. It’s a
>> true corporate history not a typical railfan read.
>>
>> Probably way more than you ever wanted to know but now you do.
>>
>> Leo Phillipp
>>
>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2024, at 1:13 PM, William Hirt <whirt@fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> A primary source of asphalt is oil refineries. It is created by using one
>>> of by-products of the refining process mixed with rock. Even after the
>>> Standard Oil monopoly breakup circa 1910, the various Standard Oil
>>> companies still used UTLX cars as UTLX was originally part of Standard Oil.
>>> A good estimate would be the cars came from the large Standard Oil of
>>> Indiana refinery at Whiting, IN. Wisconsin was in the Standard Oil of
>>> Indiana marketing territory.
>>>
>>> Other refinery shippers did use UTLX. According to Steve Hile's UTLX book,
>>> UTLX over the years absorbed tank cars from Skelly, Pure Oil, Marathon,
>>> Shell and Conoco. So I think it is reasonable to expect they used UTLX cars
>>> when needed to ship product. Shell had a refinery in Roxanna IL which is on
>>> the Illinois side of St. Louis.
>>>
>>> I found this map of the Standard Oil marketing territories in the late
>>> 1960s:
>>>
>>> <https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/a7/41/94a7416eaf529430709c4ecb41d89570.png>
>>>
>>> This is why brands such as Esso had branding such as Humble and Indiana
>>> Standard had American and UTOCO to sell product in the other Standard
>>> marketing areas.
>>>
>>> Bill HIrt
>>>
>>>>> On 6/15/2024 11:12 AM, Tom Mack via groups.io wrote:
>>>> Rapido just announced a new run of their UTLX X-3 tank cars that includes
>>>> 10,000 Gallon X-3 Insulated Tank Cars which among other things, were used
>>>> to carry asphalt. Why this is of importance to Q modelers is that large
>>>> blocks of these cars are confirmed as traveling on Train 97 from Galesburg
>>>> to Savanna and on to the GB&W interchange at East Winona for destinations
>>>> along the GB&W in Wisconsin. These cars were in the UTLX 60000-62999
>>>> series and the UTLX 64000-64999 and 66000-67999 series. The Rapido cars
>>>> being offered are 60016, 60064, 60503, 60531, 61714, 62288 and fit
>>>> perfectly for CB&Q asphalt transport use.
>>>> We have very few CB&Q wheel reports for Train 97 (I only have three), and
>>>> two of these have large blocks of asphalt cars. For example CB&Q Train 97
>>>> on June 4, 1966 (summer road work season) has a block of 11 UTLX tank cars
>>>> that contains the following 10 UTLX X-3 cars carrying asphalt bound for
>>>> East Winona GB&W interchange: 67241, 61944, 61826, 62634, 62949, 62959,
>>>> 62088, 67130, 64508, 61935, 66172. All 10 cars are destined for Asphalt
>>>> Products Company is Stevens Point, WI on the GB&W.
>>>> CB&Q Train 97 on July 21, 1966 (also summer road work season) has a block
>>>> of 10 UTLX X-3 tank cars carrying asphalt bound for East Winona GB&W
>>>> interchange and then to WAUCOUHIG (Waupaca County Highway Department) in
>>>> Ogdensburg, WI on the GB&W: 62420, 62886, 66699, 67924, 62397, 62484,
>>>> 61690, 69050, 66966, 60812.
>>>> The significant blocks of asphalt cars that turn up in just 2 of 3 CB&Q
>>>> wheel reports indicates to me that this was a common CB&Q shipment, at
>>>> least in the summer of 1966 on the CB&Q to GB&W. So I am buying a number
>>>> of these cars to run in a block.
>>>> The question now is, where did the asphalt come from? Was there a major
>>>> refinery or facility that produced asphalt that would have been carried on
>>>> Train 97 and perhaps then to other parts of the CB&Q system as well?
>>>> (I have no affiliation with Rapido but am VERY glad to see them doing
>>>> these insulated 10,000 gallon X-3 tank cars!)
>>>
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