Leo,
I never get tired of your knowledge! It might not be of importance to my RR but
I always learn something from you
Tanks!
Warren
> On Jun 15, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Leo Phillipp via groups.io
> <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I worked at UTLX for 21&1/4 years. The asphalt being discussed shipped in
> tank cars was/is a very thick,viscous liquid when loaded. It tends to set up
> under shipment and harden so that is why it is shipped in insulated and
> heater coiled cars. The product needs to be reheated to unload. At the
> asphalt plant it is combined with various aggregates depending on the
> specifications of the end user to make the asphalt that becomes a hard
> surface road.
>
> To give you some idea of how viscous and hard asphalt becomes in a tank car;
> many,many times I approved manual labor charges to scrape asphalt off the
> interior of tank shells. This would be after a diesel rinse. If there was
> still too much asphalt residue after a diesel rinse and scraping the next
> step was an interior blast with sand and/or steel grit.
>
> Depending on the age of these 10,000 gallon cars the older ones would have
> interior heater pipes and cars built starting in the late 50s or so would
> have exterior coils. The interior pipes literally ran inside the tanks along
> the walls just above the center line
> Of the car and came out at the ends. They were maintenance headaches as they
> corroded and allowed commodity to get into the pipes and then the cars would
> not heat properly.
> Exterior coils are welded to the exterior of the tank under the insulation
> and jacket. Their connections are at the bottom center of the tank. They also
> eventually corrode and then it’s a hunt to find where the leaks are and tear
> off jacket and insulation.
> Tom, states the models are of class X-3 which is a very earlier class Of
> tanks before they were reclassified to 103W and then later still to 111A100w3.
>
> Tom states these cars moved on #97 from Galesburg so they might have come
> from Whiting which was served by the “J” now CN.
> But that would be a round about routing instead
> Of going “J” to Eola and being picked up there by the other #97 out of
> Cicero. Yes there were two #97s one from Galesburg and one from Cicero. See
> Your ETTs.
>
> Yes, I’m sure in the old days 97 picked up at Eola. When that stopped I’m not
> sure. But I’ve talked with more than one old Eola/Q switchman who spoke of
> it. So I suspect these loads generated west or south of Galesburg.
>
> John D Rockefeller and his Standard Oil managers started UTLX as UTL. It
> pretty much controlled the supply of tank cars. There was
> Much in the way of rebates,kickbacks,etc from the RRa to Standard and finally
> the govt forced Standard to spinoff UTL. If you can find a copy of
> “John D Rockefellers Secret Weapon” your in for lots of lessons about tank
> car and business history. It is the official corporate history published by
> UTLX.
> So be prepared for a rather detailed read without hardly any photos. It’s a
> true corporate history not a typical railfan read.
>
> Probably way more than you ever wanted to know but now you do.
>
> Leo Phillipp
>
>
>> On Jun 15, 2024, at 1:13 PM, William Hirt <whirt@fastmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> A primary source of asphalt is oil refineries. It is created by using one of
>> by-products of the refining process mixed with rock. Even after the Standard
>> Oil monopoly breakup circa 1910, the various Standard Oil companies still
>> used UTLX cars as UTLX was originally part of Standard Oil. A good estimate
>> would be the cars came from the large Standard Oil of Indiana refinery at
>> Whiting, IN. Wisconsin was in the Standard Oil of Indiana marketing
>> territory.
>>
>> Other refinery shippers did use UTLX. According to Steve Hile's UTLX book,
>> UTLX over the years absorbed tank cars from Skelly, Pure Oil, Marathon,
>> Shell and Conoco. So I think it is reasonable to expect they used UTLX cars
>> when needed to ship product. Shell had a refinery in Roxanna IL which is on
>> the Illinois side of St. Louis.
>>
>> I found this map of the Standard Oil marketing territories in the late 1960s:
>>
>> <https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/a7/41/94a7416eaf529430709c4ecb41d89570.png>
>>
>> This is why brands such as Esso had branding such as Humble and Indiana
>> Standard had American and UTOCO to sell product in the other Standard
>> marketing areas.
>>
>> Bill HIrt
>>
>>>> On 6/15/2024 11:12 AM, Tom Mack via groups.io wrote:
>>> Rapido just announced a new run of their UTLX X-3 tank cars that includes
>>> 10,000 Gallon X-3 Insulated Tank Cars which among other things, were used
>>> to carry asphalt. Why this is of importance to Q modelers is that large
>>> blocks of these cars are confirmed as traveling on Train 97 from Galesburg
>>> to Savanna and on to the GB&W interchange at East Winona for destinations
>>> along the GB&W in Wisconsin. These cars were in the UTLX 60000-62999 series
>>> and the UTLX 64000-64999 and 66000-67999 series. The Rapido cars being
>>> offered are 60016, 60064, 60503, 60531, 61714, 62288 and fit perfectly for
>>> CB&Q asphalt transport use.
>>> We have very few CB&Q wheel reports for Train 97 (I only have three), and
>>> two of these have large blocks of asphalt cars. For example CB&Q Train 97
>>> on June 4, 1966 (summer road work season) has a block of 11 UTLX tank cars
>>> that contains the following 10 UTLX X-3 cars carrying asphalt bound for
>>> East Winona GB&W interchange: 67241, 61944, 61826, 62634, 62949, 62959,
>>> 62088, 67130, 64508, 61935, 66172. All 10 cars are destined for Asphalt
>>> Products Company is Stevens Point, WI on the GB&W.
>>> CB&Q Train 97 on July 21, 1966 (also summer road work season) has a block
>>> of 10 UTLX X-3 tank cars carrying asphalt bound for East Winona GB&W
>>> interchange and then to WAUCOUHIG (Waupaca County Highway Department) in
>>> Ogdensburg, WI on the GB&W: 62420, 62886, 66699, 67924, 62397, 62484,
>>> 61690, 69050, 66966, 60812.
>>> The significant blocks of asphalt cars that turn up in just 2 of 3 CB&Q
>>> wheel reports indicates to me that this was a common CB&Q shipment, at
>>> least in the summer of 1966 on the CB&Q to GB&W. So I am buying a number of
>>> these cars to run in a block.
>>> The question now is, where did the asphalt come from? Was there a major
>>> refinery or facility that produced asphalt that would have been carried on
>>> Train 97 and perhaps then to other parts of the CB&Q system as well?
>>> (I have no affiliation with Rapido but am VERY glad to see them doing these
>>> insulated 10,000 gallon X-3 tank cars!)
>>
>>
>>
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