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Re: [CBQ] Carthage Junction

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From: "Jack Schroeder" <jack@highlandwebworks.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:17:00 -0600
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To my knowledgeable friends, full of historical facts:

This kind of knowledge needs to be recorded, and I don't consider this 'groups.io' list as a long term repository for these details. There are good places like books, articles and the Burlington Bulletin for documenting this information. Another great option for these localized teed-bits is the 'Q Rail Network' on the BRHS web site.
 
It would great if one or more of you would add these interesting rail network facts and notes to the appropriate station web page in the 'Q Rail Network' feature in the Members Only area. That way it would be keep long term with other information connected to that location and more rapidly found and shared with others. 

I am too dumb to know which station record (or multiple records) would be best suited to record this, so I will leave it up to you.  I have pasted a screen capture of the station record for Quincy, only as an example, to show the field designated to record this kind of information.  Thanks.

PS: The BRHS web is designed to organize and store CB&Q information but it is up to each knowledge member to help contribute information to the site.


Use the station search feature to guide you to the Station Details page. Click on the "Edit this Record" on the right side near the top of the page.



Jack Schroeder
817 485-1922
jack@highlandwebworks.com
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On 2/15/2023 1:33 AM, zephyr98072 wrote:
The answer is yes, but the name was used at different times.  According to the employee timetables the junction east of the Mississippi River opposite Burlington was called Carthage Jct. until 1924, when it was re-named Illinois Jct.

Carthage Jct. at Quincy was the name given to the location of two switches on the Galesburg Main on the north side of Quincy at MP 261.55.  The name was first used there in 1947.  The north switch was the new south end of the Carthage Main, and  it was also referred to as MP 70.30 on the Carthage line.  The other switch was to the newly constructed (in 1947) direct main to West Quincy (from Galesburg).  Neither switch existed before 1947, because prior to this time the Carthage line ended further south at a junction with Route "B" of the Quincy Loop, and the only direct route from West Quincy to Galesburg was via the Quincy Loop using Route "A" and going past the Quincy Depot and then heading north up the hill.  The name may not have been used after 1960 when the hi-level bridge was constructed over the Mississippi River, which resulted in a number of track changes on the north side of Quincy.

This is off the subject, but CB&Q used the same name for stations at several locations at different times.  Three names that come to mind are Miner, which was used at three locations north of Savanna, and Troy and Cleveland which were used at different locations on the mainline in Iowa.

Glen Haug

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Dave Lotz <Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Carthage Junction
 
...not from Quincy, and from Burlington, that was my first thought.  I did note that the north junction was called Illinois Junction.  So, do we have a case of two location with the same name?

Dave


From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Philip Weibler <pawnbaw@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 12:46:20 PM
To: cbq@groups.io <cbq@groups.io>; CBQ@groups.io <cbq@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Carthage Junction
 
Hello Dave, Thomas and All-
And what do we call the junction of the Carthage line with the KC mainline at Quincy, Illinois??  PAW

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 09:39:27 AM CST, Jack Schroeder <jack@highlandwebworks.com> wrote:


Let me add to Dave's great knowledge with this web page.
https://www.burlingtonroute.org/members_only/secured/network/network_system/system_programs/station_details.php?FSAC=20164
See attached.

Jack Schroeder
817 485-1922
jack@highlandwebworks.com
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On 2/14/2023 8:53 AM, Dave Lotz wrote:

Hi Thomas,

 

Carthage Junction (also known as Illinois Jct.) is located at the eastern end of the Q’s Mississippi River bridge, across the river from Burlington, Iowa.  From the research I’ve done on the Burlington area, this junction was interlocked early and later by CTC, both methods controlled by the operators at Wood Tower in Burlington.

 

I’ve attached an alignment chart showing the Jct. and a photo from the Barringer collection that shows the only known building and one of the Massey concrete instrument houses there.

 

Dave Lotz

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Dyrek
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 8:49 AM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: [CBQ] Carthage Junction

 

Hello,

 

I'm in search of pictures and information about Carthage Junction, Illinois; specifically, any railroad structures that stood there such as a depot and/or tower.

 

Thanks,

Thomas


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