| Thank you so much, Bill. This is even more than I could have asked for. I would have to know more than I do to have asked for it. You are again an invaluable resource.
I have read the excellent BB 55, but I have a tendency to remember content but not where I gained it. Your references there help greatly.
I find fascinating the on-again off-again pattern of Slumbercoach assignments between the NP and the Q which you so nicely provided in addition.
Slumbercoaches interest me because I like to follow postwar attempts to attract riders who wanted sleeping accommodations but didn’t want to pay first class fare (plus the accommodation itself). I see the postwar Day-Nite coaches as being such an attempt. Because I rode the latter in my youth, streamlined coaches with leg rests and greater distance between seats were to me a very nice arrangement. The Milwaukee’s Olympian Hiawatha did not have such coaches, but it had Touralux cars - which I would think would attract that same clientele.
But later came Slumbercoaches! I never got to ride those. I heard they were noisy, but having washing facilities in your room would seem a big plus.
I am in O scale and when Golden Gate Depot came out with Q Slumbercoaches I had to have two, not just one. Like others I do prefer the full skirting. But the real test (I got this from reading John Armstrong) is to put the car you have some question about in a consist and see if any of your railfan buddies notice (often they don’t).
Doug
The Slumbercoach is covered in Bulletin No. 55 on pp. 32-35, the DZ/NCL Slumbercoach pool on pp. 92-94, and the pool's demise on p. 130.
To add to the record as regards the assignment of unskirted CB&Q/NP Loch-series Slumbercoaches, the eight second-hand cars NP purchased from Budd in 1964 were primarily intended to replace the Mainstreeter's Chicago-Seattle Pullman (a Chicago-Seattle Slumbercoach was established on December 7, 1964) but also enabled NP (together with its original four cars leased in '59 and purchased in '64) to operate a second Slumbercoach on the North Coast Limited when demand warranted. NP sold two of its eight second-hand cars to the Q in March 1965 to maintain the latter's Chicago-Seattle equipment mileage equalization.
The Mainstreeter Chicago-Seattle Slumbercoach was temporarily discontinued February 14, 1967, for the reainder of the "off season," and reestablished for the "high season" from June 15 through September 8. Thereafter, NP, established a shortened Mainstreeter Slumbercoach assignment (Spokane-Seattle). Upon the discontinuance of the Black Hawk's remaining Chicago-Minneapolis Pullman (last departures March 31, 1968), Burlington established a BH Chicago-Minneapolis Slumbercoach on April 1. When NP resumed the Mainstreeter's Chicago-Seattle Slumbercoach on September 28, the BH Chicago-Minneapolis car was discontinued. The Mainstreeter's Slumbercoach was temporarily discontinued from February 28 through March 28, 1969 (believed to have been to make the cars available for a surge in Viet Nam-bound troops), during which period a BH Chicago-Minneapolis Slumbercoach was restored. Finally, NP shortened the Mainstreeter's Slumbercoach to St. Paul-Seattle beginning June 1, 1969, and Burlington simultaneously restored the BH Chicago-Minneapolis Slumbercoach which continued until the train's April 1970 discontinuance.
Bill Schultz
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From: Douglas Hosler <dehosler40@gmail.com>
To: CBQ@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2022 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Rapido Slumbercoach Update
I have the same impression as Ed on there being a Slumbercoach pool between the NCL and the DZ. Can anyone give confirmation and the dates of that pool?
Tom,
I thought originally there was a pool between the Denver Zephyr and the NCL Slumbercoaches for a while, I think that changed when the NP obtained more Slumbercoaches.
I know for a while I had an Oriental Limited Q Slumbercoach that I found for a price I couldn’t pass up for that reason. Later I sold it to a friend.
Depending on your era, there is the pool excuse...
Ed Pavlovic
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 01:36 AM, trains@davidstreeter.net wrote:
the Slumbercoach I want is a Zephyr car, not an NCL.
I agree with David Streeter, even though I really don't need a Zephyr Slumbercoach since they didn't run on the portion of the Chicago to Mpls-StP line I model. I have the Walthers NP Slumbercoach for the NCL, and although I agree that the Rapido car is much nicer, I doubt I'll spend the money to replace what is a pretty decent car when using the 10 ft rule.
Did anyone else notice that in the Rapido newsletter they said "the orders were unbelievably terrible"? They followed that up by saying "So we're not making them yet. Instead, we realized that we have to do a little more marketing of these models in order for them to sell."
Maybe if they added the Zephyr skirted Slimbercoaches they would see a few more sales. But I'm not sure if the additional tooling to add full skirts would bring in enough sales to make it worth the effort and money.
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Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH
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