Re: [CBQ] Oregon/Mt Morris Steam Locomotive

["Richard Gortowski via groups.io" <rgortowski=aol.com@groups.io>]

Leo and I had discussed this in the past. In 1948, 52 arrived at Oregon at 6:05 pm, then arrived in Chicago at 8:35 pm, so it could have worked the cars from Kable, albeit slower.  In 1950, 52 arrived in Oregon at 6:49 am, so the schedule was totally flipped-flopped and it would not facilitate handling any cars from Kable.  This may have been due to the addition of the Oregon Turn.

The BRHS archives has a revenue/ridership study undertaken by the Q in July of 1951 to try to kill 45/52.  It's very interesting reading and looks at what would need to be done if they were to discontinue these trains.  It got messy.

Rich G.

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From: Douglas Hosler <dehosler40@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Oregon/Mt Morris Steam Locomotive

Is there a chance the eastbound passenger train picking up at Oregon be # 52 (the eastbound all-day local from the Twin Cities to Chicago)?  I don’t know when the all-day locals were removed.  I have only passenger TT’s and I have a big gap from 1948 (45 and 52 are listed) to 1964 (they are not listed).  

I gather 45 and 52 were originally decent day trains - until the Twin City Zephyrs showed up.  

The main reason I am asking is my love of 45 and 52.   I rode 45 from Chicago to St. Paul as a kid in the late 40’s.  It made lots of stops and featured a large number of head-end cars.  In fact there was just one coach on the day I rode it with my parents.   That day it was pulled by a Hudson and I was thrilled - already steamers were disappearing and of course we all love the iconic Hudsons.  At one point most of the crew and the few passengers got off and had lunch in the station but I can’t remember which station that was.  Somehow that whole experience bonded me to those trains. 

We traveled as pass passengers since my dad worked for the PFE, but somehow my dad managed to get us a ride back on a TC Zephyr.  I was not allowed to leave the coach (a flat top).  It did have internal lights at the front of the coach that told us what the signal lights were that the train was approaching and we could watch them change.  That was interesting but the whole experience was just not as “cool” as the all-day local for this eight-or-nine-year-old.  

Doug Hosler 

On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Richard Gortowski via groups.io <rgortowski=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Leo,

Thanks for the clarification.  What you are saying, especially regarding labor, agreements, and cost confirms what I felt had to be correct.  As for the Oregon Turn, I've been told by several people that they would work all the towns westbound with pick ups and set outs up to Oregon, but as you say, they did no work on the eastbound trip.  

Rich G

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From: Leo Phillipp via groups.io <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Oregon/Mt Morris Steam Locomotive

From a labor agreement standpoint the Oregon-Mt Morris job was posted as such therefore for it to leave those limits would have resulted in extra payments. Or the job would need to be “advertised”(rebid) with new limits. Then there would have been the issue of running backwards,wyeing ,likely overtime,etc. so running anywhere for coal would have been impractical.

According to ETTs The Oregon Turn was a new job in 1949. Prior to that the local work was handled by a Eola based wayfreight working to Savanna M-W-F and returning T-Th-Sat.

It’s been my understanding that the Oregon Turn was created to cover the eastbound loads out of Kable after the passenger train that previously picked them up was taken off. 

In reviewing ETTs I'm unclear as to what passenger run that was?

As to the sand plant I don’t recall anyone talking about the Oregon Turn switching it. Besides once they arrived at Oregon getting back to Aurora with Kable loads was priority one.

In the BN era the Oregon-Mt Morris job switched the sand plant as it was considered in Oregon. In the 50s the sand plant was much smaller than in the 70s and beyond.

Leo Phillipp

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