Re: [CBQ] Run through motive power - FTs

["Richard Gortowski via groups.io" <rgortowski=aol.com@groups.io>]

Just a reminder, all this information and more is available in Burlington Bulletin #4, one of the early Bulletins written by Hol, and available in the company store.  It's especially useful in sorting out the confusing timing and combinations of the various F-Units.

Rich G.

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Mark:

The Burlington's FTs, numbered 100-115, were purchased in four-unit sets to move heavy wartime freight traffic, including but certainly not limited to oil produced in Wyoming.  They were used primarily on the Chicago-Denver and Lincoln-Billings mainlines (the latter by way of both Sheridan and Casper), but did not begin running down into Texas via the C&S-FW&D until after the end of the war.  The first extensive motive power pooling did not come until 1946 when pools were instituted that could take a set of FTs from Chicago to Billings to Fort Worth to Denver and back to Chicago.  In 1946 the first five sets, 100-105, were split in to and mated with 10 new F2s to create three-unit FTA/FTB/F2A sets numbered 150-159.  It was originally planned to number the three-unit sets 200s, and a couple of units briefly carried those numbers before the 150s were settled upon.  Attached are a few early views of the four-unit sets.

Hol

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Greetings everyone,

During WWII the War Production Board allocated some FT sets to the CB&Q.

These were, I understand, to primarliy increase efficiency of fuel oil shipments to the Pacific north west.

I also understand the sets were used in a power pool on other routes as well.

Can anyone add to the above scant information?

I guess much of the SE -NW route would be over the C&S -FW&D.

Did the sets runs as four or three unit sets in WWII?

Mark Sellars

On Friday, 20 May 2022, 10:39:37 am ACST, popbumper1 <popbumper1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

#959 in the snow. What an absolutely magnificent shot, Hol! 

Chris Munson 

Frisco, TX 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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Date: 5/19/22 12:16 PM (GMT-06:00)

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Run through motive power

Some more.

Hol

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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 10:51 AM
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My 1973 BN Annual has an 18-page article on motive power pools, with lots of photos, detailing all the pools the BN participated in up to that time, with information on the ones that were already in existence when BN was created in 1970.

Hol

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From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Tom Mack via groups.io <thommack=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:58 AM
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Malcolm,

Over 20 years ago we discussed pool power on the Q and I still have my notes from November 8, 2001! Here is what I had at the time. A number of members on this list contributed to the info back then. Most of this info is still relevant and up to date. I have newer pool power info based on continued research of the C&I from Chicago to Mpls/StP from 1965-merger since that is the line I model, but I'm not sure if that is of interest to you or not.

Thanks to everyone so far who responded to my post. I am gathering the info being posted and will put it together in a form I hope to grow over time.

 

Special thanks to Ed DeRouin for reminding all of us about Railfax and back issues of X2200. It just so happens they are located just down the street from my office, so I picked up the last 3 issues of X2200 I needed, and what a surprise: Issue 3 from March 1968 has an article on Motive Power Pools and predominate in the list are the CB&Q pools of the 1960's.

 

Highlights:

 

CB&Q-NYC Elkhart, IN to Omaha, NE  Power: 2000+ HP B-B (pictures show primarily NYC U25B/U28B/U30B. GP35 and GP40 units also used.

 

CB&Q-PRR-UP Enola to Los Angeles via 21st St Chicago  Power: 2000+ HP GP/SD units (at least one picture in March 1968 of a lashup of 3 Q GP30's, 1 UP GP30, and a PRR C425)

 

CB&Q-UP Chicago to Grand Island  Power: 2000+ HP B-B (pictures show primarily UP GP30's and GP30B's, GP35's)

 

CB&Q-D&RGW Chicago to Salt Lake  Power: 2000+ HP B-B (primarily GP30)

Only ran for short time in 1965-1966.

 

C&S-ATSF Pueblo to Denver  Power: Anything (there are several shots in the C&S Southern Division book that show even SF RSD4/5 mixed with C&S GP, SD, and F power!)

 

According to the article Q used its six U25B's extensively in UP pool service in late 1965 to mid 1966.

 

Finally, there is mention of a possible SP-CB&Q pool that simply had ??? next to it. Also a discontinued CB&QGN pool that was suspended prior to the merger. Does anyone know anything about these pools?

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Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH

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