Re: [CBQ] 2022 01 Q about Chi-StP Western Star/Mainstreeter

["Bill Schultz via groups.io" <jwschultz9=aol.com@groups.io>]

Ted and group --

Burlington leased UP lounge car 6207 during 1962's "high season" primarily for use as a (supplemental) parlor car on the Twin Zephyrs for escorted tour traffic (to avoid handling tour sleepers in the Twins), but the car was also used in its intended capacity as a lounge.  With regularly-assigned Black Hawk diner-lounge 172 on 1/47, the UP car served adult beverages to 2/47's passengers as far as Savanna before deadheading back to Chicago on No. 48.  Similarly (and at Q expense), the NP diner (and crew) and dormitory car deadheaded from St. Paul to North La Crosse on No. 48 before returning to St. Paul for breakfast service on 2/47.     

To temporarily replace Pullmans damaged in North Coast Limited derailments at Glendive, Mont., and Granite, Idaho, on January 29 and March 2, 1962, NP and Pullman temporarily (throughout 1962's high season) reassigned the Mainstreeter's Pullmans to the NCL, with the Pullman pool backfilling the Mainstreeter with MP/T&P Eagle-prefixed 14-roomette/4-double bedroom and Pennsy Cascade-prefixed 10-roomette/5-double bedroom cars.

The "regular 4-4-5-1 sleeper designated 472" in 1/47 was one of two Seaboard cars (4-section/4-roomette/5-double bedroom/1-compartment Budd-built cars Cedartown and Henderson) from the Pullman pool replacing two Black Hawk 10-roomette/6-double bedroom cars for the latter's summertime use in the CZ and DZ.    

Departing Chicago Sunday evening June 17, 1/47 and 2/47 lined-up as follows:

1/47

motors                                                        

GN baggage (express Seattle)                    

Q jeep (express St. Paul)

Q baggage (express Minneapolis)

83-seat coach    Q 6170

83-seat coach    Q 6137

12-section/1-drawing room Pullman Car LH-1    Lake Pearl

12-section/1-drawing room Pullman Car LH-2   Lake Hubert

10-roomette/6-double bedroom sleeping car Car 472     N&W Campbell County

4-section/4-roomette/5-double bedroom/1-compartment sleeping car Car 473     SAL Cedartown

38-seat dining-lounge    Q 172

62-seat chair car Car 301    GN 966

48-seat chair car Car 302    GN 1216

16-duplex roomette/4-double bedroom Pullman Car 274    Q Siyeh Glacier

4-section/8-duplex roomette/4-double bedroom Pullman Car 273    GN Dawson Pass

4-section/8-duplex roomette/4-double bedroom Pullman Car 271    GN Cut Bank Pass

10-roomette/6-double bedroom Pullman Car P-1    RF&P Spotsylvania County

4-compartment/4-double bedroom/2-drawing room Pullman Car NW-1    NYC Imperial Manor

10-roomette/6-doublre bedroom sleeping car Car NW-2    N&W Hollins College

10-roomette/5-double bedroom Pullman (deadhead St. Paul-NP)    PRR Cascade Cliff

2/47

motors

NP baggage (express Seattle)

NP baggage (express Portland)

66-seat coach (extra)    NP 1361

64-seat coach (regular)    NP 500

14-roomete/4-double bedroom Pullman Car 105    T&P Eagle Rest

10-roomette/5-double bedroom Pullman Car 106    PRR Cascade Mirage

10-roomette/6-double bedroom Pullman (extra) Car 107    NKP City of Ft. Wayne

4-compartmenrt/4-double bedroom/2-drawing room Pullman Car YZ-8    NYC Imperial State

6-section/6-roomete/4-double bedroom sleeping car Car YZ-9    Q Silver Orchid

50-seat club-lounge (Chicago-Savanna)    UP 6207

Bill Schultz                      

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schnepf <railsunl@sbcglobal.net>
To: CBQ@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Feb 12, 2022 8:38 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] 2022 01 Q about Chi-StP Western Star/Mainstreeter

Hello,

It is interesting to note the UP car moving from Chicago to Savanna. Probably deadheading and will be interchanged to Milw at Savanna? If a deadhead move, wonder why it was not interchanged in CUS?

Also interesting is picking up two cars in NORTH LaCrosse. Was that a regular move? Note the cars are not adjacent in the train, so a couple switching moves.

Ted Schnepf

On Saturday, February 12, 2022, 08:17:55 AM CST, Tom Mack via groups.io <thommack=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 02:46 PM, Albert Kamm wrote:

The attached letter is part of the BRHS Archives

Thanks Al. This is great research material.

I have run the PDF through Adobe to straighten it and also run OCR so it is searchable. The new document is attached.
 
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Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH

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