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Re: [CBQ] Burlington Budd boiler equipped baggage cars.

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Burlington Budd boiler equipped baggage cars.
From: "Gordon Smith kc2bw@optonline.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:06:20 -0400
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-------- Original Message --------
>
>
> I do not see my most recent 
> response/post (possibly lost) so 
> please excuse this repeat.
>
> The 1973 photo of SILVER TREASURE 
>  is extremely helpful. Thank you!
>
> I have all the back issues of RMC 
> to 1934, so will have to start 
> looking for the article(s) 
> referred to (not easy).
>
> None of the limited photos of 
> ARGO or OLYMPUS  available to me 
> show the external evidence of of 
> boilers that  limited photos of 
> SILVER TREASURE have otherwise 
> shown, e.g. long fuel/water tanks 
> hanging below the side skirting, 
> and an exhaust stack.
>
> To make things even more muddy, 
> RPC's CB&Q Passenger Car Diagram 
> book shows, and RPC's Budd 
> Streamliner CARS confirms Vol 2 
> confirms  that neither ARGO nor 
> OLYMPUS were apparently delivered 
>  with boilers nor space for same, 
> the space occupied with a toilet 
> and fish racks.  At the same time 
> the diagram for SILVER TREASURE 
> and notation on the same order 
>  (Item #2189, Lot 9601-016) 
>  shows that this third car had 
>  cleared space for the boiler, 
> which by all accounts so far was 
> apparently installed by the 
> railroad, not Budd.
>
> Perhaps some clarity is offered 
> by Hol Wagner in Bulletin #13 
> when he states specifically that 
> SILVER TREASURE was ordered 
> specifically to provide steam 
> generation boiler service for the 
> shovel nose EA power assigned 
>  for the SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR 
> 1950-52.
>
> To make things even more 
> interesting, the three baggage 
> cars of current interest, ARGO, 
> OLYMPUS, and SILVER TREASURE were 
> ordered and delivered 
> respectively several months 
> before the larger order of 
> identical baggage cars was given 
> to Budd for the CZ.  So the CZ 
> cars were the add-ons, NOT the 
> other way around.
>
> So, of the total of nine baggage 
> cars (6 CBQ, 2WP, 1 WP):
>
> ONE (SILVER TREASURE ) was 
> delivered specifically for 
> assigned boiler service (SSZ), 
> and photo documentation shows 
> that it actually had such capability.
>
> TWO (ARGO and OLYMPUS) were 
> reputed to have such capability 
> for some period, but were not 
> delivered as such, coupled to 
> scant  or even absent photo evidence
>
> ONE (SILVER ANTELOPE-(CZ/DRGW) is 
> almost completely modeled by 
> Shoreham Shops with copious 
> boiler detailing.
>
> ONE (SILVER BEAVER-CZ/WP) is 
> listed as containing boiler at it 
> time of sale to Amtrak in 1971.
>
> Again, I would guess that all 
> respective boiler conversions 
> were done by the railroads, CBQ 
> for sure, and DRGW and WP 
> probably; but only one single car 
> was delivered ex factory ready 
> for such install (In the last 
> days of the CZ, WP had problems 
> with steam generating capability 
> availability, and they purchased 
> and used at least one former GN 
> steam generator car. That they 
> might have also placed a boiler 
> into a baggage car already would 
> seem a reasonable supposition 
> Ditto for the DRGW).
>
> Randall was right in his CBQ 
> diagram book (copying original 
> material), seems to right in his 
> compendium of all BUDD 
> production, but seems quite 
> incorrect in his red book on CB&Q 
> Budd cars specifically.
>
> This is certainly not an 
> earth-shaking subject, but....it 
> sure can be interesting!
>
> Denny
>
> Denny S. Anspach MD
> Sacramento
>
>
>
> 



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Posted by: Gordon Smith <kc2bw@optonline.net>
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