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Gordon
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>
>
> I do not see my most recent
> response/post (possibly lost) so
> please excuse this repeat.
>
> The 1973 photo of SILVER TREASURE
> is extremely helpful. Thank you!
>
> I have all the back issues of RMC
> to 1934, so will have to start
> looking for the article(s)
> referred to (not easy).
>
> None of the limited photos of
> ARGO or OLYMPUS available to me
> show the external evidence of of
> boilers that limited photos of
> SILVER TREASURE have otherwise
> shown, e.g. long fuel/water tanks
> hanging below the side skirting,
> and an exhaust stack.
>
> To make things even more muddy,
> RPC's CB&Q Passenger Car Diagram
> book shows, and RPC's Budd
> Streamliner CARS confirms Vol 2
> confirms that neither ARGO nor
> OLYMPUS were apparently delivered
> with boilers nor space for same,
> the space occupied with a toilet
> and fish racks. At the same time
> the diagram for SILVER TREASURE
> and notation on the same order
> (Item #2189, Lot 9601-016)
> shows that this third car had
> cleared space for the boiler,
> which by all accounts so far was
> apparently installed by the
> railroad, not Budd.
>
> Perhaps some clarity is offered
> by Hol Wagner in Bulletin #13
> when he states specifically that
> SILVER TREASURE was ordered
> specifically to provide steam
> generation boiler service for the
> shovel nose EA power assigned
> for the SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR
> 1950-52.
>
> To make things even more
> interesting, the three baggage
> cars of current interest, ARGO,
> OLYMPUS, and SILVER TREASURE were
> ordered and delivered
> respectively several months
> before the larger order of
> identical baggage cars was given
> to Budd for the CZ. So the CZ
> cars were the add-ons, NOT the
> other way around.
>
> So, of the total of nine baggage
> cars (6 CBQ, 2WP, 1 WP):
>
> ONE (SILVER TREASURE ) was
> delivered specifically for
> assigned boiler service (SSZ),
> and photo documentation shows
> that it actually had such capability.
>
> TWO (ARGO and OLYMPUS) were
> reputed to have such capability
> for some period, but were not
> delivered as such, coupled to
> scant or even absent photo evidence
>
> ONE (SILVER ANTELOPE-(CZ/DRGW) is
> almost completely modeled by
> Shoreham Shops with copious
> boiler detailing.
>
> ONE (SILVER BEAVER-CZ/WP) is
> listed as containing boiler at it
> time of sale to Amtrak in 1971.
>
> Again, I would guess that all
> respective boiler conversions
> were done by the railroads, CBQ
> for sure, and DRGW and WP
> probably; but only one single car
> was delivered ex factory ready
> for such install (In the last
> days of the CZ, WP had problems
> with steam generating capability
> availability, and they purchased
> and used at least one former GN
> steam generator car. That they
> might have also placed a boiler
> into a baggage car already would
> seem a reasonable supposition
> Ditto for the DRGW).
>
> Randall was right in his CBQ
> diagram book (copying original
> material), seems to right in his
> compendium of all BUDD
> production, but seems quite
> incorrect in his red book on CB&Q
> Budd cars specifically.
>
> This is certainly not an
> earth-shaking subject, but....it
> sure can be interesting!
>
> Denny
>
> Denny S. Anspach MD
> Sacramento
>
>
>
>
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Posted by: Gordon Smith <kc2bw@optonline.net>
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