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Charlie The last "drovers cars" were converted passenger cars, that were renumbered into the 5700 series. The Official Passenger Car Registers listed them as "drovers cars". Some of the last ones (after 1947) were converted tourist sleepers. From: "'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@comcast.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [CBQ] CB&Q Waycar Questions I can at least answer one of your questions definitively. I have a drawing for Steel underframes for the CW branchline combines. Such cars existed before steel underframes but after 1900 they would have had them. (I wouldn’t call them drovers cars as Model Railroaders tend to call anything with a sliding side door and a cupola a “drovers car”). The only “official” designation I’ve seen for drovers cars were more-or-less standard waycars that had no conductors provisions and more bunks. They were converted to standard waycars pretty early as far as I can see. The CWs were primarily used on mixed trains. Some coaches were used for that service….the only requirement was independent heating as stock trains did not have steam lines. Horses did not travel in the same car as the cowboys unless somebody wanted to stay with their horse in the stock car. Don’t know the dates of conversion from K to AB; a photo study might turn up some date ranges. The truss rods on waycars were hard to see as they were fairly shallow. Steel sills started to be applied around 1900 but I haven’t seen any definitive evidence of the earliest / latest application. A number of 28’ cars got stretched at this time probably because they had 30’ steel underframe parts on hand. Some cars got stretched between the cupola and windows; others at the far end before the windows. A few got odd window spacing and some even got 4 windows using 3 window car smaller windows. I think the possum belly “cellars” were removed as part of adding the steel underframes. Photos are your friend. The photos are the only sure guide to herald and lettering style. Charlie Vlk From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:47 PM To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q Waycar Questions I have been studying Randall Danniel's books on CB&Q waycars (especially the 28-foot and 30-foot wooden cars) in hopes of building some models, but have come up with a few questions that I cannot answer totally from the books: Did the waycar paint scheme shift from mineral red to Chinese red about 1958, in about the same time frame as freight cars? Is that the same time the lettering style changed from Railroad Roman to the more Gothic style? It looks to me like the more common herald was the rectangle without the black background, but some heralds seem to have a black background. Was this something that was changed at a particular time, or was this at the whim of the paint shops? I am guessing, solely because of their age, that these cars would have had K-style brakes early on, but most of the photos I've seen were taken later, and show AB brakes. Was their a time where these started to be changed over? The early diagrams (p. 68 of the drawing book) appear to me to show truss rods on the NE-1 waycars, but I can't seem to find any photos of these cars with truss rods. Were they that way early, then later receiving steel underframes? Did the CW-series of drovers cars have steel center sills, or were their center sills wood? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Best regards, Ken Middleton Portage, MI krmiddle@charter.net __._,_.___ Posted by: "John D. Mitchell, Jr." <cbqrr47@yahoo.com> __,_._,___ |