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Re: [CBQ] K-9 Ten-Wheelers

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From: "'Kenneth Middleton' krmiddle@charter.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 11:12:53 -0400
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The bids for the contract to build the Nebraska & Western (that portion of the Pacific Short Line between Covington and O'Neill) were let by the Wyoming Pacific Improvement Company (from the April 5, 1889 issue of Railroad Gazette). The Wyoming Pacific Improvement Company and the Pacific Short Line (comprised of the Nebraska & Western, Wyoming & Eastern, and Salt Lake Valley & Eastern) were intimately related, but I have never been able to figure out their exact legal relationship. Supposedly builders photos of the locomotives do or did exist, showing that the engines owned by this road were delivered lettered for the Pacific Short Line. The passenger cars certainly were, and I believe somewhere I have seen a photo of a caboose lettered for the Pacific Short Line (perhaps in the Burlington Bulletin about the O'Neill branch?). The Wyoming & Eastern was placed in receivership in December 1890, and the Nebraska & Western was placed in receivership on February 24, 1891. The Nebraska & Western was operated by the receiver (Ellis Bierbower) until October 30, 1891. On October 23, 1891, the road was sold to George Wickersham and Arthur S. Garretson (deed was dated October 30), two principles of the Sioux CIty & Northern. The Nebraska & Western was operated by the SC&N until January 1, 1892. By a deed dated December 1, 1891, the property of the Nebraska & Western was transferred to the Sioux City, O'Neill & Western Railway Company, which was controlled by the same individuals who owned the SC&N. The SCO&W was operated in close conjunction with the SC&N until it was placed in receivership on November 1, 1893. The receiver, F.C. Hills, operated the road until June 30, 1899. (The SC&N also went into receivership at about the same time as the SCO&W.) The SCO&W had been purchased on May 26, 1899, by William S. Tod and Robert E. Tod, who conveyed the property to the Sioux City & Western on June 28, 1899. These same two people had purchased the SC&N on December 12, 1899. On December 31, 1899, the SC&N came under the control of the Great Northern. The Willmar & Sioux Falls, a GN subsidiary, began operating both properties (SC&N and SC&W) on January 1, 1900. On July 1, 1907, the Willmar & Sioux Falls was purchased outright by the GN, which operated the SC&W from South Sioux City to O'Neill for a short time.
 
By the time the SC&W was placed under operation by the Willmar & Sioux Falls, the three smaller SC&W ten-wheelers had been renumbered as SC&W 16, 17 and 18 (originally the were PSL 10, 11 and 12). This was probably done when the road was operated in conjunction with the SC&N since the numbers 10-12 were already assigned to SC&N engines. Great Northern records indicate that Construcion Nos. 2264, 2265, 2328 and 2440 were renumbered as Willmar & Sioux Falls 994, 995, 996 and 997, respectively, on July 3, 1900; March 24, 1900; May 10, 1900; and May 9, 1900. The numbers were not changed when GN purchased the Willmar & Sioux Falls. The locomotives were assigned to the CB&Q as part of the SC&W by lease on November 1, 1907. Delivery dates to the CB&Q were as follows:
 
GN 994    11/11/1907
GN 995    12/10/1907
GN 996    11/20/1907
GN 996    11/16/1907
 
I believe the SC&W was then finally sold to the CB&Q on December 1, 1908.
 
It is interesting (at least to me) that in a letter dated November 30, 1907, J.M. Gruber, then General Manager of the Great Northern, wrote to a Mr. R. I. Farrington, a GN Second Vice President, stating that "Mr. Emerson [George H. Emerson was at that time GN's General Superintendent of Motive Power] is of the opinion that we ought to keep these engines if we can, as they are of the class that we can use to god advantabe on our different branch lines, and light power of that kind is what we are short of more than large power." Mr. Farrington replied on December 7 that the locomotives had been sold to the Burlington, and if they were desirable for GN, their purchase would have to be authorized by the president and negotiated with the Burlington.
 
These four locomotives, and all of the roads they belonged to, went through a rather tortuous history.
 
Best regards,
 
Ken Middleton
Portage, MI
krmiddle@charter.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:14 AM
Subject: RE: [CBQ] K-9 Ten-Wheelers

 

According to the Connelly and Rhode Island Lists the ex-GN K-9 Rhode Island 4-6-0s_were as follows:

CB&Q 943    GN 994             2264                Macon Construction Company                       131      18x24  62?      Dec 1889    ret 10/12    to Wyoming Pacific Improvement Co. 10   Pacific Short Line

CB&Q 944    GN 995             2265                Macon Construction Company                       132      18x24  62?      Dec 1889    ret 10/13    to Wyoming Pacific Improvement Co. 11   Pacific Short Line

CB&Q 945      GN 996           2328                Wyoming Pacific Improvement Co.   12        18x24  55?      Apr 1890            ret 11/13

CB&Q 946      GN 997           2440                Wyoming Pacific Improvement Co.   15        18x24  54?      Aug 1890            disposition unknown

I wish Joe were still with us to weigh in on this discussion?.he may have provided more up-to-date information to Connelly.   The Rhode Island lists do not indicate the engines going to the GN or the CB&Q, but all seem to be contractors locomotives and if anyone has more detailed info on the building of the O?Neil branch it may help clarify if the info is likely to be correct.

Charlie Vlk



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