Re: [CBQ] Budd Pre-war cars

["Duncan Cameron c.duncan.cameron@gmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

If you buy the set, I've got a Hallmark Silver Charger to go with them if you're interested.

Duncan Cameron

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Jim's Junction trains28@bresnan.net [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Yes- I saw the GPZ set on Ebay. I have a problem with the roofs (no short roof spars over the roof ends) and the letterboard on the Diner/Lounge/Observation.  The as-delivered Observation car had a large letterboard on both sides of the side-doors that said BURLINGTON ZEPHYR. The later modified cars had a short letterboard in front of the side doors only that was centered over the lower name board- and was lettered BURLINGTON. Hallmark apparently mirrored the letterboards on both sides with 'short-long' board on the left side and a 'long-short' board on the right side. This would make you put ZEPHYR BURLINGTON on the left side and BURLINGTON ZEPHYR on the right side! Still pondering over the set though.

  John

 

On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:10 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@gmail.com [CBQ] wrote:

Don’t know if you saw them, but there’s a set of the Hallmark GPZ cars on Ebay now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Hallmark-CB-Q-BURLINGTON-GEN-PERSHING-ZEPHYR-3-cars-New-orig-box-KD-cplrs-/321651747859?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4ae3f02c13

Thanks!
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Date: Friday, January 30, 2015 at 11:22 AM
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Subject: Fwd: [CBQ] Budd Pre-war cars

    I should have included coverage of the 'Pattern Dome' cars Silver Dome & Silver Castle, as well as the pre-war Budd cars purchased by the C&S and FW&D in my previous post.

   John Olson

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From: "Jim's Junction trains28@bresnan.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>

Date: January 30, 2015 9:49:01 AM MST

To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [CBQ] Budd Pre-war cars

Reply-To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com

     Between purchasing the articulated Zephyr sets, and the later  

Vista-Dome Zephyr trains, the 'Q' purchased 30 (or so) pre-war, stand- 

alone Budd cars. They consisted of Baggage, Baggage/RPO, Chair Cars,  

Diners & Diner/Lounge/Observation cars. Most of these cars eventually  

ended up as 'Zephyr Pool' cars and were used in secondary trains and  

to supplement the consists of 'signature' trains as needs arose.  

There were subtle differences among these cars and my modeling  

interests have changed from running 'pure' Zephyrs to modeling the  

secondary trains and the Zephyrs during the 60's when the pre-war  

Budd cars were used more freely in the TCZ, KCZ, Blackhawk and other  

overnight trains. The General Pershing Zephyr's Silver Leaf was a 70- 

seat chair car measuring 88' 8" over the couplers and was a one-of-a- 

kind chair car. All the other pre-war Budd chair cars seem to be 79'  

8". Some of the cars were delivered with external window frames,  

while others were delivered with rubber gaskets around the windows.  

Some cars had brake cylinders mounted on the trucks facing the center  

of the car with the lower sills were 'notched' to make swing  

clearance and access easier and others had more common brake  

cylinders mounted on the truck sideframes. Since the articulated  

Zephyrs have (and soon the DZ) have been covered, I would like to see  

a 'Burlington Bulletin' (or part of one) dedicated to these pre-war  

Budd cars- since, for modeling & history purposes,  I think they are  

a fascinating part of the 'Q's' passenger history and covering the  

how's and why's of cars, such as the almost 90' Silver Leaf chair car  

vs the 79' 8"  chair cars and the almost 90' Diner/Lounge/Observtaion  

cars, would make a good read.

John Olson

Billings, Mt

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