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Re: [CBQ] Re: Is this a Burlington locomotive

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From: "Kenneth Middleton" <krmiddle@charter.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:28:19 -0500
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The Willmar & Sioux Falls was absorbed by the GN on July 1, 1907, so I suspect 
would not be listed separately after that. There were six passenger cars that 
were transferred to the CB&Q from the Willmar & Sioux Falls/Great Northern. 
Willmar & Sioux Falls coaches 76-79 (originally built as Pacific Short Line 
101-104) became CB&Q 5501-5504. WSF passenger and baggage cars 432 and 433 
(originally PSL 301 and 302) became CB&Q 3029 and 3030. These went into company 
service in 1927-1929. 

There were two cabooses transferred to the CB&Q. The earliest numbers that I 
have for these are Sioux City & Western 900 and 901, but they were built in 
1890, so my guess would be that they were originally Pacific Short Line 
cabooses. Their last numbers on the WSF were O855 and O856. I believe they were 
built by Sioux City Car Company, but do not know what numbers they were 
assigned by CB&Q. A quick perusal of The Burlington Waycars did not turn up any 
likely candidates, but Randy Danniel might have some ideas of possible 
candidates.

As for freight cars, the following were listed as being owned by the Sioux City 
& Western in 1900:

1021-1220    Box Cars, 40,000 lb. capacity, wieght 26,200 lb.
1221-1270    Box Cars, 50,000 lb. capacity, weight 24,750 lb.
5001-5150    Flat Cars, 50,000 lb. capacity, no weight given (some of these had 
been rebuilt to box cars)

Some of these cars are shown as having been destroyed, so certainly the full 
number indicated by the series would not have gone to the CB&Q. I do not know 
if these were given new numbers by the Willmar & Sioux Falls or not, but it 
wouldn't surprise me.

If someone in the Twin Cities were willing to visit the Minnesota Historical 
Society, likely places to look would be GN Historic Car Records Vol. 91 and 92, 
both of which are listed as "Willmar & Sioux Falls Freight Car Records." There 
is such a massive amount of freight car data in the Historic Car Records that I 
have never attempted to deal with it --passenger cars, cabooses and maintenance 
equipment data were about all that I ever found time to transcribe.

Best regards,

Ken Middleton
Portage, MI
krmiddle@charter.net
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  From: Rupert & Maureen 
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  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:07 PM
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  Ken

  Thanks for this explanation. Do you know if any "cars or other rolling stock" 
were actually transferred? I found the Willmar & Sioux Falls in the 1904 ORER 
showing over 1000 freight cars and cabooses lettered GN / W&SF but the company 
was no longer listed in the December 1908 issue.  Interestingly, the CB&Q 
acquired two new groups of old box cars in 1908 - 17000-17184 and 17200-17242 
that match, more or less, the W&SF 85436-85830 (even numbers, 198 cars) and 
85832-85930 (even numbers 50 cars) shown in the 1904 ORER. However, I can't 
account for any of the other freight cars and cabooses listed. 

  Does anyone have a 1907 or early 1908 ORER who could check the Willmar & 
Sioux Falls listing, please?

  Rupert Gamlen
  Auckland NZ




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  The December 1, 1908, deed that deeded the Sioux City & Western to the CB&Q 
specified that all "locomotives, cars, and other rolling stock and equipment" 
be transferred to the CB&Q. 



  Ken Middleton
  Portage, MI
  krmiddle@charter.net






  
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