Thanks for the explanation, Rupert.
Scott Myers
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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rupert & Maureen
Sent: Sat 2/16/2013 10:17 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] U30B
Scott
Taken from previous discussions on this question -
"The Q did own 5 U30Bs built as U30Bs and 10 U30Bs that were rebuilt from
U28Bs."
Tom Mack gave an extensive answer to a GE question which included -
"To add a little additional diesel trivia here, Q was a somewhat unique GE
owner in several respects. First, they had the largest fleet of U25C carbody
U28C's of any road. These 16 Phase I U28C's looked identical to the Q's 12
U25C's except for the loco identification plate. There is an excellent article
on the U25C with great Q pictures in a back issue of Diesel Era magazine,
including info on the Q Phase I U28C's. (I can get the actual issue number if
anyone is interested).
In regard to the B-B U-boats, Q of course had its 6 U25B's 100-105 purchased in
1964, but where it really gets interesting is with the 10 U28B's (106-115)
starting in 1966. These were delivered in the Phase II U28B carbodies, not the
Phase I's that were identical to the U25B's. So there is a clear delineation
between the U25B's and U28B's. Where it starts to get confusing is when the 10
U30B's 140-149 came in also in 1966. These Actually started life as U28B's but
were immediately upgraded to 3000 HP U30B's. Since GE used the Phase II U28B
carbodies on their Phase I U30B's these 10 U30B units are identical to the 10
U28B's. Again, the identification plate is about the only thing that
differentiates them on the Q. Some Q rosters, such as the one in Extra 2200
South magazine May/June 1971 list them as U28Bm's, to show they were modified
from the U28B's.
When Q got its second batch of U30B's in early 1968 (units 150-154) GE had
already moved the U30B to the classic full height radiator Phase II U30 carbody
shared by the C&S U30C's and later, the U23C's. So these last 5 U30B's are very
easily distinguished from any other B-B U-boats on the Q. Two side notes - the
CB&Q U30B made by Athearn actually carries the correct number for the body
style - it is a Phase II U30B and carries the number 153. Second, the U30B's
were in Chinese Red, so the carbody similarities between the U30B's and U23C's
could confuse some people who didn't notice that the one was a B-B U-boat, the
other a C-C U-boat. Some could mistakenly think there were Chinese Red U23C's
on the roster."
There was also a comment at the time -
"The U28bs weren't upgraded until the summer of 68 according to Al Holck's book
and photographic evidence shows that they kept the original U28 model plates."
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Myers
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: [CBQ] U30B
The locomotive roster shown on the BRHS website lists Locomotives 140-149 as
U28Bs, along with numbers 106-115. This is also the information shown on page
181 of the book The Burlington in Transition, which includes a photo of #149
with a builder's plate reading U28B on page 178. However, I have photographs
of 141 and 148 that clearly show builder's plates that read U30B. Can anyone
explain the apparent discrepancy? Were they originally ordered as U28Bs, then
upgraded to U30B after entering service perhaps?
Scott Myers
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