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Leo,

I don't remember a lot of the agreement details, but I know I caught the CZ off 
the Aurora passenger extra list and worked CUS-Burlington-CUS. Why wouldn't 
that vacancy have been protected out of Galesburg?

Worked the Quincy train once to Galesburg, also. Again off X list, out of CUS. 
Might have been a WIU special. 

Doug

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Pete you caught me at the computer as the nightly news is boring so here's an 
almost instant response. 
  
This gets complicated and lengthy  so get comfortable and do keep in mind I am 
writing w/o going downstairs to research in the files. Just shooting from 
memory. If I get something messed up Bud can correct any mistakes I make. 
  
1) The Aurora lodge (Aurora Div) covered everything from Lavergne just outside 
Cicero to Savanna and to Galesburg with all branch lines coming off them. Well 
technically at Savanna the division ended at Plum Creek a couple miles east 
where the Galesburg line joined the C&I.The "mainline pool" from Cicero to 
Galesburg was manned by Aurora men based at Galesburg with their own lodge and 
officers,etc. Aurora men in the Aurora zone at the Galesburg based lodge were 
on the same seniority roster as the men at the Aurora lodge. A man hired at 
either location carried one seniority date and could work at either location or 
any in between if his seniority was high enough. Rarely did an Aurora/Aurora 
man go to Galesburg but fairly often an Aurora man based at Galesburg would 
come to Aurora to work when the mainline pool was reduced in an economic 
downturn. For locals on the mainline the general committee had set Mendota as 
the dividing line on the mainline. I.E. a local starting out of Mendota and 
working west was manned by the Aurora men in Galesburg. Working east from 
Mendota was Aurora/Aurora men. The exception was the branch from Zearing to 
Streator(the old IV&N) which was Aurora/Aurora territory. But there was an 
exception (for a while) to the exception in that a local ran out of Galesburg 
with a sidetrip to LaSalle that was manned by Aurora men from Galesburg. And 
for a while there was a Eola to Galesburg wayfreight manned by Aurora/Aurora. 
The Chicago division/lodge had everything east of LaVergne but the Aurora men 
operated on the 7 miles of mainline to CUS. See previous discussion about prior 
right Chicago men on passenger. 
  
The line from Galesburg to Savanna was Galesburg lodge men who had their own 
lodge (Bud Linroth was the local chairman for many years). This lodge also went 
to Peoria,Quincy,etc, This lodge also had the line from Sterling to Denrock. 
Aurora rights covered only Mendota to Denrock so when we ran Denrock-Savanna 
miles were recorded and from time to time a Galesburg lodge man came to Aurora 
and worked the "Around the horn" wayfreight until he had equalized the miles 
Aurora men had run on Galesburg lines. Then he went home. 
  
If you can find a track alignment book for the Aurora Division the inside cover 
show this with a map very well. 
  
2) Passenger service: To generalize there was a Nothern Pool and a mainline 
pool. Once you could hold passenger you were on a turn in one pool or the 
other. You worked various trains over the month so that everyone got a chance 
to work the cream and some of the less desirable Some turns were better than 
others with better hours or better days off,etc. You really needed a calendar 
to know which train on which day your turn was working. Within the Northern 
pool there was a "fast pool" and a "slow pool" which is pretty self explanatory 
as the fast pool had more of the preferred runs. There were also regular jobs 
that worked the same runs each day, generally the locals. There was also a 
baggagemens pool similar to the trainmans/Condrs that only worked baggage jobs. 
Over the decades the pool would change as trains were combined, added or taken 
off. 
The passenger extra list was totally crazy as you would fill in for a man on 
say his Northern turn and on the way back to Chicago you would get a message to 
protect a turn leaving CUS on the mainline upon arrival there. Then when coming 
back from Galesburg, Burlington or Ottumwa you might get another message to 
protect another job. You literally could go for days w/o getting home. You got 
your rest at the away terminal. 
  
This leads to your question about step off. This gets absolutely convoluted and 
complicated. It's a big file in the records. There was the Aurora step off 
where a man deadheading into CUS would relieve his counterpart eastbound on the 
Aurora platform and "work" in for him. Next day the other guy would return the 
favor. More on this in a bit. 
  
As to where passenger train crews changed it really depended on the job and 
decades. Going north everyone came and went from Savanna. Going west basically 
the locals or jobs going to Quincy changed at Galesburg. The CZ/DZ train crews 
changed at Burlington. For a while they went to Ottumwa,but this didn't last 
too long. On the jobs working thru beyond Galesburg the miles were equalized 
with Ottumwa by assigning certain positions to Ottumwa men. 
  
Now here's where it gets real complicated. The jobs were based out of Chicago 
but many of the men working these jobs were Aurora men living in Galesburg in 
the Aurora lodge there. 
In fact from time to time over the decades the two Aurora lodges along with the 
East Ottumwa lodge would get into a type of family feud over how many jobs 
should belong to each lodge. So the general committee would review each sides 
arguments and then make a ruling as to the number of positions assigned to each 
lodge. 
  
 For the Galesburg based Aurora men to avoid deadheading to Chicago to protect 
their turn and then deadheading home there was a step off at Galesburg just 
like at Aurora. These were authorized by local agreements with local mgmt. A 
step off could be worked on a job running only to Galesburg and in essence a 
man would be working his day off for his counterpart, who did likewise tomorrow 
for him. It gave them more time at home and no deadhead commutes. 
  
3) Pool and assigned waycars at the same time. Sure it happened. I think what 
you are describing are two separate pools in the same seniority district where 
one pool has changed to pooled waycars and the other did not. This was the case 
for several years where the Aurora men at Galesburg had pooled waycars as well 
as the La Crosse division men working into Savanna. At Cicero and Savanna the 
yard crews would have to keep the C&I waycars separate from the pooled waycars. 
It was easy as for the most part the pool cars were new and the assigned were 
the old wood ones. 
  
Let me know if you still have questions after this lengthy dissertation. 
  
Leo Phillipp    
Pete you caught me at the computer as the nightly news is boring so here's an 
almost instant response. 
  
This gets complicated and lengthy  so get comfortable and do keep in mind I am 
writing w/o going downstairs to research in the files. Just shooting from 
memory. If I get something messed up Bud can correct any mistakes I make. 
  
1) The Aurora lodge (Aurora Div) covered everything from Lavergne just outside 
Cicero to Savanna and to Galesburg with all branch lines coming off them. Well 
technically at Savanna the division ended at Plum Creek a couple miles east 
where the Galesburg line joined the C&I.The "mainline pool" from Cicero to 
Galesburg was manned by Aurora men based at Galesburg with their own lodge and 
officers,etc. Aurora men in the Aurora zone at the Galesburg based lodge were 
on the same seniority roster as the men at the Aurora lodge. A man hired at 
either location carried one seniority date and could work at either location or 
any in between if his seniority was high enough. Rarely did an Aurora/Aurora 
man go to Galesburg but fairly often an Aurora man based at Galesburg would 
come to Aurora to work when the mainline pool was reduced in an economic 
downturn. For locals on the mainline the general committee had set Mendota as 
the dividing line on the mainline. I.E. a local starting out of Mendota and 
working west was manned by the Aurora men in Galesburg. Working east from 
Mendota was Aurora/Aurora men. The exception was the branch from Zearing to 
Streator(the old IV&N) which was Aurora/Aurora territory. But there was an 
exception (for a while) to the exception in that a local ran out of Galesburg 
with a sidetrip to LaSalle that was manned by Aurora men from Galesburg. And 
for a while there was a Eola to Galesburg wayfreight manned by Aurora/Aurora. 
The Chicago division/lodge had everything east of LaVergne but the Aurora men 
operated on the 7 miles of mainline to CUS. See previous discussion about prior 
right Chicago men on passenger. 
  
The line from Galesburg to Savanna was Galesburg lodge men who had their own 
lodge (Bud Linroth was the local chairman for many years). This lodge also went 
to Peoria,Quincy,etc, This lodge also had the line from Sterling to Denrock. 
Aurora rights covered only Mendota to Denrock so when we ran Denrock-Savanna 
miles were recorded and from time to time a Galesburg lodge man came to Aurora 
and worked the "Around the horn" wayfreight until he had equalized the miles 
Aurora men had run on Galesburg lines. Then he went home. 
  
If you can find a track alignment book for the Aurora Division the inside cover 
show this with a map very well. 
  
2) Passenger service: To generalize there was a Nothern Pool and a mainline 
pool. Once you could hold passenger you were on a turn in one pool or the 
other. You worked various trains over the month so that everyone got a chance 
to work the cream and some of the less desirable Some turns were better than 
others with better hours or better days off,etc. You really needed a calendar 
to know which train on which day your turn was working. Within the Northern 
pool there was a "fast pool" and a "slow pool" which is pretty self explanatory 
as the fast pool had more of the preferred runs. There were also regular jobs 
that worked the same runs each day, generally the locals. There was also a 
baggagemens pool similar to the trainmans/Condrs that only worked baggage jobs. 
Over the decades the pool would change as trains were combined, added or taken 
off. 
The passenger extra list was totally crazy as you would fill in for a man on 
say his Northern turn and on the way back to Chicago you would get a message to 
protect a turn leaving CUS on the mainline upon arrival there. Then when coming 
back from Galesburg, Burlington or Ottumwa you might get another message to 
protect another job. You literally could go for days w/o getting home. You got 
your rest at the away terminal. 
  
This leads to your question about step off. This gets absolutely convoluted and 
complicated. It's a big file in the records. There was the Aurora step off 
where a man deadheading into CUS would relieve his counterpart eastbound on the 
Aurora platform and "work" in for him. Next day the other guy would return the 
favor. More on this in a bit. 
  
As to where passenger train crews changed it really depended on the job and 
decades. Going north everyone came and went from Savanna. Going west basically 
the locals or jobs going to Quincy changed at Galesburg. The CZ/DZ train crews 
changed at Burlington. For a while they went to Ottumwa,but this didn't last 
too long. On the jobs working thru beyond Galesburg the miles were equalized 
with Ottumwa by assigning certain positions to Ottumwa men. 
  
Now here's where it gets real complicated. The jobs were based out of Chicago 
but many of the men working these jobs were Aurora men living in Galesburg in 
the Aurora lodge there. 
In fact from time to time over the decades the two Aurora lodges along with the 
East Ottumwa lodge would get into a type of family feud over how many jobs 
should belong to each lodge. So the general committee would review each sides 
arguments and then make a ruling as to the number of positions assigned to each 
lodge. 
  
 For the Galesburg based Aurora men to avoid deadheading to Chicago to protect 
their turn and then deadheading home there was a step off at Galesburg just 
like at Aurora. These were authorized by local agreements with local mgmt. A 
step off could be worked on a job running only to Galesburg and in essence a 
man would be working his day off for his counterpart, who did likewise tomorrow 
for him. It gave them more time at home and no deadhead commutes. 
  
3) Pool and assigned waycars at the same time. Sure it happened. I think what 
you are describing are two separate pools in the same seniority district where 
one pool has changed to pooled waycars and the other did not. This was the case 
for several years where the Aurora men at Galesburg had pooled waycars as well 
as the La Crosse division men working into Savanna. At Cicero and Savanna the 
yard crews would have to keep the C&I waycars separate from the pooled waycars. 
It was easy as for the most part the pool cars were new and the assigned were 
the old wood ones. 
  
Let me know if you still have questions after this lengthy dissertation. 
  
Leo Phillipp    





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