Re: [CBQ] Standard Waycar Equipment

["sartherdj@aol.com" <sartherdj@aol.com>]

Archie,

 

More great recollections of life on the CB&Q.  Thanks again for sharing them.

 

I just checked through some of my available historic data for information about CB&Q #14284, your old waycar.  Here is some of what I found out about "Q" NE-1 #14284 in the Dan Holbrook and Steve Lorentz  Waycars of the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy RR book p.70 about that specific waycar.  CB&Q #14284 was built in August, 1884 at Hannibal, MO as a 28' waycar for the Hannibal & St. Joseph RR.  Its original number was HSTJ-124 and its final BN number was #11057.  "Q" 14284 lasted into the BN, but neither Holbrook,DelGrosso nor Hol Wagner's Burlington Northern 1973 Annual p. 29 say anything about its final disposition.  So I don't know at this point as to whether #14284 sits in a museum somewhere, in somebody's back yard, was destroyed or was just eventually scrapped around 1976 as were most of the remaining fleet of the CB&Q's historic wood waycars.  However, 1884 through 1973+, is one big slice of the Q's history, indeed.  There is a color photo of a 3 window sister waycar, BN# 11056 formerly HSTJ-106, CB&Q #14269 also built at Hannibal but in Jan.,1886 on p. 53 in Burlington Railroad Cabooses 1970-1995 by Robert DelGrosso as a comparison for #14284, unfortunate for "Q" fans it had already been repainted BN green.  

 

I haven't located any photos for CB&Q #14284 nor BN#11057 to date.  Does anyone on this list have one they could share? 

 

Later,  Dave S.    Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: archie hayden <kliner@mywdo.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Standard Waycar Equipment

 

My waycar is 14284.  The emergency tool box was usually on the stove side of the car hanging on the wall.  Is my memory correct on the glass front for this box, guys?  At the end of the bunk on the stove side, were two metal brackets that held the markers when not in use.  To the right of the stove in the corner was a cast iron wash basin that held a large oval shaped water can for washing up.  This can had a large Burlington Route logo in the face of it also.  On the wall up near the ceiling was a 12 inch square hole on each side that let warm air into the cupola where the trainman's feet would be.  It was covered with strong chicken wire.  Some cars had a shade that could be pulled across the isle about eye level so the light from the conductor's desk wouldn't bother someone setting in the cupola.  The air mechanism under the car had a small pipe whistle that would let the crew  know when the air was releasing. &nbs p;In the ice box was a can that held about a gallon of drinking water and it too had a large Burlington Route logo.  Under the desk was a large tapered block of wood for resting the conductor's feet on.  You would wake up in the morning and all the nails in the wall would have frost on the heads, and the head brakeman who was the junior man had to get up and stoke the fire into gear.  Brrrr!!!  Boy, seems like yesterday.  Many of the old timers hated the fresh coat of paint that was put on their floors when their  car was shopped.  It was very slick.  So first thing the guys put lye on the floor and it was bleached almost white.  More as the gray matter begins to warm up.  Archie

On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:12 AM, sartherdj@aol.com wrote:

Archie,

 

Thanks for your reply.  That would be a great list of items to see if you can put yours hands onto it.  Where would that "emergency box" have been located on a waycar?   What waycar (number?) did you refer to in your response, " Dave, My waycar had a sheet of tin... " ?  Asbestos? I didn't see any asbestos! 

 

Thanks,  Dave S.   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: archie hayden <kliner@mywdo.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Standard Waycar Equipment

 

Dave,  My waycar had a sheet of tin on the wall behind the stove and a sheet under the stove.  Under the tin was strips of that dreaded asbestos.  Don't tell the feds.  Don't forget your emergency tools that had a case of their own that hung on the wall.  In it were a hand saw with Burlington Route logo on the blade, a sledge hammer, and a fireaxe.  I seem to recall the case had a glass front.  Don't forget your hot box cooler can.  Wasn't it called a Keeley can?  I have a list somewhere the company put out that showed everything one was supposed to have on the waycar.  4 bunks with horse hair mattresses.  I will try to dig that up.  I also have a similar list of items in a small country depot.  Archie

On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:33 PM, sartherdj@aol.com wrote:

John, Leo and dhartman ,

 

Thanks for your replies.  Some great ideas for realistic "stuff" to add to a waycar build. 

 

Do any of you recall if there was any steel sheeting applie d to the walls or floor around the stove area?

 

Later,  Dave S.   Tucson, AZ

 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: qutlx1 <qutlx1@aol.com>
To: cbq <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 7:32 pm
Subject: Fwd: [CBQ] Standard Waycar Equipment

 

John, just adding to the list. For me it's now been almost 3 3 years(man how time flies) since I swung onto or off a waycar but as you can see it's like yesterday.

 

Leo

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From:	John D. Mitchell, Jr. <cbqrr47@yahoo.com>
To:	CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Subject:	Re: [CBQ] Standard Waycar Equipment
Date:	Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:27:20 -0800 (PST)

 

Leo

I forgot about all that stuff. I was working off the top of my head and it has been many a day since even thought about these things!

From: "qutlx1@aol.com" <qutlx1@aol.com>
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Standard Waycar Equipment

 

 

Don't forget the mandatory chain or steel cable for tieing things together when they came undone. One never left the terminal w/o a chain,at lease one E and a F knuckle,hammer,chisel,bailing wire,rags,packing hook,journal oil,journal box coolant,spare air hoses,air hose wrench, all the extra flagging equip.,markers and their fuel,etc,broom,mop,a full tank of oil or coal for the stove,forms in the desk,ice in the ice box. In winter it was imperitive to put a soup can of water on the stove to act as a humidifier.It also was smart to tape the leading door jam with tape or wet paper towels. Yes they worked.

 

If these things weren't on the car at the terminal in pool waycar days you went to the supply point and the carman(helper) there would bring them to you. In assigned waycar days it's my understanding it was the rear brakemans job to find these items and secure them.

 

As to system map if yo u call a pinup a map then that was what you had one. Don't ever recall a w/c with a true company is sued map on the wall.

 

Leo Phillipp

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