Thanks Steve.
I appreciate all of this useful information. I have some cars that will work,
so I will build the curve to the Produce Wholesale warehouse and plan some
additional switching of the team track.
Ed
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Ed
I now live in SC just south of Spartenburg which was the capital of Peach
Shipping (Still is a lot But by truck) They would send out train loads both
north and west over Saluda to Chattanooga and the midwest.
I would say oranges in SFRD (I have ad for Sunkist spoon)from Calif. and or
Fruit Growers from south
Peaches in Fruit Growers and or BREX from the South although they use to grow
around Buffalo Rock
Apples from Michigan and Northern NY in MDT, Fruit Growers
The Illinois Fruit and Produce might be SFRD and or ART While living in Texas I
found where the MKT use to move alot of South Texas Produce North.
Steve in SC
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Hi Steve,
In modeling this business on the team track what cars would be appropriate? I
model the period after WWII to about 1954. I do have some equipment that might
work for the 1930s since I have not yet updated the Mike's for the post-war
period. I appreciate being able to benefit from your research & knowledge.
Thank you,
Ed
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Ed
Not LCL but I did find in some research for another project that car loads of
Peaches, Apples and Oranges would come into the Team Track and be sold right out
of the car between about 1910-1930. And Illinois Fruit and Produce had farms in
south Texas for fresh produce to be shipped in.
Steve in SC
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Subject: RE: [CBQ] LCL
Thinking about LCL reefers, in Ottawa, IL they did work on both the Q and the
CRI&P.
As described to me by a former Rock Island Station Master in Ottawa during the
1930s-1950s the two meat lockers/markets directly across the street from Rock
Island Station bought full carloads twice a week with one locker selling cut
meat to two groceries and the other sold packaged at the store and halves to two
others groceries. A whole sale produce company had a one or two carloads
delivered by the Q over a large curve that led off the line north of the Ottawa
Depot back east to a warehouse that backed onto the canal. The several other
groceries bought direct from this wholesaler, but two bought produce and
apparently at one point meat delivered by the Q to the team track. I am
guessing that those were either the west side groceries or a combination of the
west side and the south side groceries.
If any one knows how long this practice went on the Q in Ottawa I would like to
know.
Some of the west side groceries were still operating from the time I was small
until about the time I was in HS, but I know that not that much happened on the
old Q team track in the 1960s--at least after the circus came and went in 1961
or 62. The only thing I remember being off-loaded a few times on that team track
were aluminum window tracks
Also I have a story from the RI Station Master about two damaged car loads of
hams en-route from Iowa to Georgia by way of the RI and were side tracked at
Ottawa during an inspection, then marked off by the insurance, and then the two
meat markets across the street made Easter ham available for Ottawa for Easter
1942. There is a little more to the story since the statute of limitations has
probably run out.
Any additional information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ed
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Also remember the meat would still have been in halves and quarters. Not the
boxed beef of today.
The butcher was an artist(you don't believe my try it) who could take even the
cheap meat and make it good.
ground beef or hamburger was a by product.
Pork would have been cut up with the bacon and hams cured and boxed or bagged at
the packing house while the rest shipped uncut for the butcher.
Steve in SC
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Hi Leo,
I have seen a damage claim from I believe the 1920's, in Wisconsin
and surmise the following about LCL meat. The car was owned by the
meat packer and was loaded with a variety of beef, pork and lamb,
probably based on orders and or knowledge of meat needs for the
territory. The car had a specified route and schedule (weekly,
biweekly?). It traveled in the way freight, probably next to the LCL
boxcar. There was a meat company representative, probably riding in
the caboose between towns, that would open the car at each point and
sell/transfer meat products to butcher shops and other
customers. The car was fitted with canvas inside the door ,in an
attempt to retrain coolness during the frequent openings of the door.
On the Milwaukee I have a photo of a LCL boxcar being unloaded from a
way freight and it is right next to the steam engine, on the head end
of the train. I imagine car placement varied by the run and crew preference.
Anyone with more information is welcome to add to this.
ted
At 06:06 PM 1/6/2011, you wrote:
>In further response to Ted's question about an LCL meat reefer while I've
>never seen,heard or read anything about one it would seem to be a logical
>service.
>
>Just think about all the branch lines and each town has one or two meat
>markets. They surely can't handle a c/L so some type off stop off or
>LCL meat
>car would seem reasonable prior to paved roads and truck delivery.
>
>You will read about veal moving as express in an upcoming Zephyr article on
> a branch line motor car.
>
>
>I do know my home town of Yorkville,IL had a couple meat markets and the
>meat was delivered by rail. Can't imagine that a town of less than 3,000
>could justify a full C/L.
>
>On the other hand would the meat packers partial load a car direct for such
> a small location ?
>
>Leo Phillipp
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