Greetings All,
In 1944 the Q received a few FTs from the war production board particularly to
protect oil shipments from the Gulf into the Pacific NW naval bases.
These FTs also ran between Chicago and Denver.
Seems that the most of Q's Road Foremen of Engines were trained to run these
locomotives and then train the enginemen in turn, There is in "Going
Railroading' a description of Sam Spea's first encounter with the FT on the
C&S's 'north end' - Denver - Cheyenne. Mickey Hansen was Spea's master for that
lesson.
The Q had been running E units and Zephyrs for and so had shops about to handle
and 'hick ups' that may have occurred.
Presumably the lessons learned from running the F units over the Q, the C&S and
the FW&D paved the way for the pool that Hol Wagner referred to in his
"Colorado Road'.
The C&S and its subsidiary, the FW&D, did not gain permission from Chicago to
acquire any freight diesels till the mid 49/50 and then each got several F7s
which were added to the pool. By this time of course the Q had more Ft,s F2s,
F3s and F7s (I think) for both passenger and freight service.
I think the pool was disbanded in the mid 1950s. Please correct me if I am
wrong.
I would love to know how the bean counters handled the costing of each
company's contribution to the pool.
The point being that the C&S was not a wholly owned subsidiary of the Q, nor
was the FW&D a wholly owned subsidiary of the C&S in 1950. (And in fact not
until the merger)
As they were not wholly owned subsidiaries, the Directors and officers had to
observe the niceties and run each company for the benefit of ALL stockholders
(ie they could not 'oppress the minority shareholders' in any way).
Of course all three companies often leased locomotives from each other,
sometimes for decades at a time.
But these were not pooled power. At least to my limited knowledge.
Regards
Mark Sellars
----- Original Message -----
From: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast. net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, 02 February, 2010 15:49
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Motive Power Run Through
> Russ-
> Please excuse some of the Model Railroad / Railfan terminology we thow
> around....
>
> "Run-through" - Power for a jointly operated train that stays on the train
> when it goes off home rails rather than being swapped for the new road's
> power.
> An example would be some of the EL power sets that showed up on the
> CB&Q....or the UP power on the CD (???).
>
> "Pool power" - Same as above but not necessarily in pure sets.. sometimes
> combined with other road power.... and may be "stolen" to work on foreign road
> to work off hours.
>
> The notion of "pool power" for the CB&Q/FW&D/C& S is a little bogus since it
> was a owner / subsidiary roads relationship to begin with. The article on use
> of CB&Q F units on the C&S and FW&D didn't relate to "run through" or
> "pooling" but IIRC the optimal assignment of power on a use cycle that was
> Chicago-Denver- Ft.Worth and return. I don't recall if it was in a trade
> publication or one of our magazines... .. or maybe a Burlington Bulletin (the
> CB&Q one). From your examples the C&S and FW&D units were in the assignment
> power pool. ("Pool" being a group of locos available at a terminal for
> assignment.. ..not between roads).
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
>
> Really have no idea what you are talking about the CB&Q/C&S/FWD
> on "pool power". Did not exist. In almost all places a route
> like that could not be sent that way. Rates were not set up that
> way.
>
> "Run-through" ? I have no idea what that means.
>
> On the other hand the CB&Q used, on the system, gray backs on
> both the CB&Q and the FWD. This was from the late 40's until
> the mid 50's.
>
> For example:
> 01-15-52, West Eola IL, #68 with 751A
> 01-15-52, West Eola IL, #75 with 702D
> 01-15-52, West Eola IL, #62 with 702A
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #68 with 750
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #75 with 751
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #CD with 702
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #74 with 751
>
> Right from the start gray backs were very seldom used on four
> units in the same number series, just chance. Normally they
> were set as two units, as "A-B" and "D-C". Many operators did
> not use the letters, just the numbers on gray backs. I know that
> was rather strange as they would always use letters on passenger
> units, just not on freight.
>
> Russ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast. net>
> To: <CBQ@yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 02 February, 2010 13:08
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Motive Power Run Through
>
> >I believe the answer is yes.
> >
> > Seems to me I remember seeing an article about the use of Q F units being
> > used down to Ft. Worth on a regular rotation.
> > FW&D and C&S power did get to the Q but I don't think it was on a
> > run-through basis but more of seasonal power balancing or trading (i.e.,
> > C&S 4-6-0s and Q 01a s)
> > After the sixties it wasn't unknown to see C&S and FW&D power in Chicago
> > but this may have been to bring them in for class repairs.
> > Charlie Vlk
> >
> > I was wondering if the Q, C&S and the FW&D ever "pooled" power as in run
> > throughs in and out of Denver? I don't think I have ever seen any pictures
> > of it.
> >
> > Mitch
> >
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