"Run-through"... Can think of one location first time around
1962. That would be the UP between Cicero and North Platte.
Even in that case power would be re-blocked at Lincoln to
set out the traffic not going to the UP. North Platte would
also re-block thir trains even if the CB&Q was trying to get it
set up correct.
EL? They were trying to get out of the "waycar only power going
home" and to get more mileage on these trains along with the
CB&Q/BN. The NYC and PRR and PC used the same ideas.
"Run-through"? No....
In general power was not meant to try and get "pure power". That
depended on the situation. Again, it was one of the starts of
"HPE" power and they were just working onto those ideas. Some
worked, some, like the CN, would not work. "Stolen"? That would
be very, very rare. Can you imagine a railroad not making an
agreement with another railroad. Once you do that you may get
nothing at all in the future when you really need it.
I was told that once and a while during the 50's if the RI got
a lot of perishable they would take the train to Galesburg. If
that did exist it would probably be an agreement in Chicago as
needed. Just do not know that for sure. Other things like that
were done by the CB&Q/GN and CB&Q/NP. Possibly a short time
lease. One of the problems with leasing was that it often would
be like 30 days or 90 days or even more. I can remember CB&Q/BN
power being stored with leased power still being used. That tends
to make management rather angery.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 02 February, 2010 15:49
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Motive Power Run Through
> Russ-
> Please excuse some of the Model Railroad / Railfan terminology we thow
> around....
>
> "Run-through" - Power for a jointly operated train that stays on the train
> when it goes off home rails rather than being swapped for the new road's
> power.
> An example would be some of the EL power sets that showed up on the
> CB&Q....or the UP power on the CD (???).
>
> "Pool power" - Same as above but not necessarily in pure sets.. sometimes
> combined with other road power.... and may be "stolen" to work on foreign road
> to work off hours.
>
> The notion of "pool power" for the CB&Q/FW&D/C&S is a little bogus since it
> was a owner / subsidiary roads relationship to begin with. The article on
> use of CB&Q F units on the C&S and FW&D didn't relate to "run through" or
> "pooling" but IIRC the optimal assignment of power on a use cycle that was
> Chicago-Denver-Ft.Worth and return. I don't recall if it was in a trade
> publication or one of our magazines..... or maybe a Burlington Bulletin (the
> CB&Q one). From your examples the C&S and FW&D units were in the assignment
> power pool. ("Pool" being a group of locos available at a terminal for
> assignment....not between roads).
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
>
> Really have no idea what you are talking about the CB&Q/C&S/FWD
> on "pool power". Did not exist. In almost all places a route
> like that could not be sent that way. Rates were not set up that
> way.
>
> "Run-through"? I have no idea what that means.
>
> On the other hand the CB&Q used, on the system, gray backs on
> both the CB&Q and the FWD. This was from the late 40's until
> the mid 50's.
>
> For example:
> 01-15-52, West Eola IL, #68 with 751A
> 01-15-52, West Eola IL, #75 with 702D
> 01-15-52, West Eola IL, #62 with 702A
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #68 with 750
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #75 with 751
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #CD with 702
> 10-30-51, West Eola IL, #74 with 751
>
> Right from the start gray backs were very seldom used on four
> units in the same number series, just chance. Normally they
> were set as two units, as "A-B" and "D-C". Many operators did
> not use the letters, just the numbers on gray backs. I know that
> was rather strange as they would always use letters on passenger
> units, just not on freight.
>
> Russ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>
> To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 02 February, 2010 13:08
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Motive Power Run Through
>
> >I believe the answer is yes.
> >
> > Seems to me I remember seeing an article about the use of Q F units being
> used down to Ft. Worth on a regular rotation.
> > FW&D and C&S power did get to the Q but I don't think it was on a
> run-through basis but more of seasonal power balancing or trading (i.e., C&S
> 4-6-0s and Q 01a s)
> > After the sixties it wasn't unknown to see C&S and FW&D power in Chicago
> but this may have been to bring them in for class repairs.
> > Charlie Vlk
> >
> > I was wondering if the Q, C&S and the FW&D ever "pooled" power as in run
> throughs in and out of Denver? I don't think I have ever seen any pictures of
> it.
> >
> > Mitch
> >
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