Archie,
I was at the ICC investigation at Maiden Rock WI. Head on collision
at 59 mph with no brakes at all and only flat railroad. There was no
"adamant voicing", there was just no idea what happened. You got
two on the head end and two on the rear end but nowhere has any
idea why. None of the crews even got fired over about one years
each.
It's a strange world.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Archie" <kliner@mywdo.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 03 February, 2009 22:50
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Re: 1958 Wreck
Jonathan and Pete are both correct to blame the engineer according to the
evidence gathered by the ICC investigation. I have seen men who were never
wrong and when questioned concerning it, were so adamant in voicing they
were correct they would cause you to question your own convictions. It
appears that in this case, the engineer was wrong and this time didn't get
away with it. Archie
----- Original Message -----
From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Re: 1958 Wreck
Have you guys gone to the ICC website and read the details???? If you
haven't you need to do so...
Something which I refer to as the "intimidation factor" was involved
here...If you want me to I'll explain it, but I want anyone who is going to
participate in the discussion to read the official report and then we'll
talk
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Strodtz <borneo@19main.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: 1958 Wreck
That make no sense. You blame the Engineer. Why?
Are you telling me that 5 miles from Semper the
other crews were not reading? Why not? The are as
just as responsible as the entire members of the
crew. Where was the Fireman? Sleeping?????
Conductor? Flagman?
And, by the way, there have been other wrecks of
similar issues at almost the same location on the
C&S.
You can do better.
Russ (Only 42 years of experience)
----- Original Message -----
From: "bigbearoak" <jonathanharris@earthlink.net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 03 February, 2009 19:27
Subject: [CBQ] Re: 1958 Wreck
Those have to be some of the most horrifying pictures of a modern
train wreck I've seen. They're much worse than the ones in Grenard's
"Colorado and Southern, a Personal Memory of the Standard Gauge" or
Speas & Coel's "Goin' Railroading," both of which include photos the
same wreck but where 700D has either fallen off the E7 or has been
pulled off. "Goin' Railroading" - a wonderful and extensive oral
h
istory by senior C&S engineer Sam Speas - has a good account of the
accident, which killed three veteran engine men (heart wrenching too,
since all 3 were longtime colleagues and close personal friends of
Speas) as well as injuring 20 passengers. The two engineers involved
had 36 years experience apiece. Fault apparently lay with Fred Tingle,
engineer of the northbound freight (Train No. 77), who failed to
follow orders to take the siding at Semper, 5 miles south of
Broomfield, in order to wait for southbound Train No. 30, the
passenger run from Cheyenne; roaring past Semper, No. 77 then overshot
the Broomfield siding as well. The passenger train was just pulling
out of Broomfield station when the freight rounded the curve just to
the south. By the time the crew of 30 saw it bearing down, they had no
time to do more than set their brakes before the F7 slammed into them,
killing both engineer Frank Johnson and fireman Joe Loughry. The
fireman on Train 77, Harry Anderson, saw the passenger train looming
up ahead just in time to get back into the engine room, but engineer
Tingle apparently chose to run the 700D to his death.
For those more interested in machinery than people, the wreck is
historically significant in contributing to the C&S's motive power
shortage of 1958, which kept some of their last steam engines in
service a few months longer than planned. For me, no amount of extra
railfan photos can balance that carnage.
Jonathan
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Jpslhedgpeth@... wrote:
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> Colorado
and Southern...Broomfield, CO....9/22/58
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> Go to the ICC website for particulars
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> Pete
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> From: Rick Keil <rkeil6721@...>
> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 4:54 pm
> Subject: [CBQ] 1958 Wreck
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> irst, my apologies, this should have gone to this group, not the
BRHS list.
> he photos are in the CBQ Yahoo group photos section.
>
> ll, Just uploaded two photos from a wreck in 1958 in Colorado. It
involved some
> units (C&S I believe) and a passenger train, E units. I got these
from a
> riend who got them from his uncle, no other details provided other
than he
> appened to be close when it occurred. Rick KeilWichita, KS
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