Russ -
I meant no disrespect to any person involved. I was simply
paraphrasing the account given by Speas, who was senior engineer on
the C&S, familiar with the incident, and a friend of all three men
killed. I would be most interested in your fleshing out some of your
comments.
Pete -
I would like to read the ICC report. Can you provide a link?
Thanks,
Jonathan
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Jpslhedgpeth@... wrote:
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>
> Have you guys gone to the ICC website and read the details???? If
you haven't you need to do so...
>
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>
> Something which I refer to as the "intimidation factor" was involved
here...If you want me to I'll explain it, but I want anyone who is
going to participate in the discussion to read the official report and
then we'll talk
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Strodtz <borneo@...>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 9:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: 1958 Wreck
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> That make no sense. You blame the Engineer. Why?
> Are you telling me that 5 miles from Semper the
> other crews were not reading? Why not? The are as
> just as responsible as the entire members of the
> crew. Where was the Fireman? Sleeping?????
> Conductor? Flagman?
>
> And, by the way, there have been other wrecks of
> similar issues at almost the same location on the
> C&S.
>
> You can do better.
>
> Russ (Only 42 years of experience)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bigbearoak" <jonathanharris@...>
> To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 03 February, 2009 19:27
> Subject: [CBQ] Re: 1958 Wreck
>
> Those have to be some of the most horrifying pictures of a modern
> train wreck I've seen. They're much worse than the ones in Grenard's
> "Colorado and Southern, a Personal Memory of the Standard Gauge" or
> Speas & Coel's "Goin' Railroading," both of which include photos the
> same wreck but where 700D has either fallen off the E7 or has been
> pulled off. "Goin' Railroading" - a wonderful and extensive oral
> h
> istory by senior C&S engineer Sam Speas - has a good account of the
> accident, which killed three veteran engine men (heart wrenching too,
> since all 3 were longtime colleagues and close personal friends of
> Speas) as well as injuring 20 passengers. The two engineers involved
> had 36 years experience apiece. Fault apparently lay with Fred Tingle,
> engineer of the northbound freight (Train No. 77), who failed to
> follow orders to take the siding at Semper, 5 miles south of
> Broomfield, in order to wait for southbound Train No. 30, the
> passenger run from Cheyenne; roaring past Semper, No. 77 then overshot
> the Broomfield siding as well. The passenger train was just pulling
> out of Broomfield station when the freight rounded the curve just to
> the south. By the time the crew of 30 saw it bearing down, they had no
> time to do more than set their brakes before the F7 slammed into them,
> killing both engineer Frank Johnson and fireman Joe Loughry. The
> fireman on Train 77, Harry Anderson, saw the passenger train looming
> up ahead just in time to get back into the engine room, but engineer
> Tingle apparently chose to run the 700D to his death.
>
> For those more interested in machinery than people, the wreck is
> historically significant in contributing to the C&S's motive power
> shortage of 1958, which kept some of their last steam engines in
> service a few months longer than planned. For me, no amount of extra
> railfan photos can balance that carnage.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Jpslhedgpeth@ wrote:
> >
> > Colorado
> and Southern...Broomfield, CO....9/22/58
> >
> > Go to the ICC website for particulars
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Keil <rkeil6721@>
> > To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 4:54 pm
> > Subject: [CBQ] 1958 Wreck
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> > irst, my apologies, this should have gone to this group, not the
> BRHS list.
> > he photos are in the CBQ Yahoo group photos section.
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> > ll, Just uploaded two photos from a wreck in 1958 in Colorado. It
> involved some
> > units (C&S I believe) and a passenger train, E units. I got these
> from a
> > riend who got them from his uncle, no other details provided other
> than he
> > appened to be close when it occurred. Rick KeilWichita, KS
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