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Re: [CBQ] Re: Coal Chute and Water Tower Colors

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Coal Chute and Water Tower Colors
From: STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
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Sorry for the delay in answering but it was time for our annual fall vacation 
and I was on the road.
Technology has made life easier(??) for most jobs.  Painting is no exception
CB&Q Drawing 90981 for repairs to the 90' Turntable at Burlington Iowa dated 
3/16/51 calls for 
Paint-  one coat Red Lead Paint mixed in the following proportions:
20 lbs. Pure Red Lead Paste( Dutch Boy or equal) 
3 pints Raw Linseed Oil
2 gills(1/2 pint or 1 cup)Turpentine
2 gills(see above) Liquid Drier
This would be mixed and applied and it is a bet about the same mix for rail cars
CB&Q Drawing 99024 Standard Track Scale House Plan and Details dated 10/13/53 
calls for
2- Gals. Indian Red Paint
1- Gal.  Bronze Green Paint
2- Gals. Eye-Rest Green Paint
And for the passenger car fans(heavy-weights only) 
CB&Q Educational Bulletin No. 88G What is varnish made of?
A.- Varnish is made of the following ingredients, the proportions depending on 
the grade of varnish wanted:
       Bodied Linseed Oil(Boiled??)
        China Wood Oil(tung oil??)
        Fossil gums
        Rosin
        Turpentine
        Naptha
Why?  Bodied linseed oils is used to give elastcity, china wood oil to give 
water proofing qualities, fossil gums to give hardness and gloss, rosin used to 
take the place of gums to reduce cost of manufacture, turpentine and naptha for 
thinning.
No. 71G on light and dark colors
"When dark colored paints are used rapid absorption of heat takes place which 
may result in large loss by evaporation"
So the turntable(cars) would use a oil based paint while the scale house used 
premixed  paint.  The premixed paint would  save time and labor.   Early 
"Latex" paints were mixed using skimmed milk and lime or the red or white lead 
pigments.
So much easier to go to the home improvement or paint store and get your paint. 
 Color is subjective and depends on the company used and the batch can also 
change in color.
SJH



----- Original Message ----
From: bigbearoak <jonathanharris@earthlink.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:02:19 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Coal Chute and Water Tower Colors


Are you saying that paint was mixed by crews at the shop or roundhouse
level? Did some central headquarters just ship out the pigments? Was
"Indian Red" simply Iron Oxide, or were other pigments combined? If
so, did they come pre-mixed (in terms of proportions, like dry
ingredients in a cake mix) or did each shop mix its own pigments? That
could result in quite a range of colors! (I can't imagine "bronze"
could be one pigment!) 

--- In CBQ@yahoogroups. com, STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@.. .> wrote:
>
> In 1904 the Q standard was changed to Indian Red with bronze green
trim on buildings.
> Remember a painter also had to grind the iron oxide pigments and
then mix with the linseed or milk to make the paint so often color
varied even before it was put on the object to be painted.
> It seems the colors changed with the change to cement board
siding(white) and when the stucco was applied to depots
> SJH 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tim Fleck <tf5077@...>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 6:37:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Coal Chute and Water Tower Colors
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Sounds to me like the Q had a market on Red oxide paint, from
rolling stocks to signals to structures. Apparently this was the Q
standard.  Tim
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