The purlins on the Budd cars of truss contruction, such as the prewar cars and
the pre-1950 post war cars, were important structural members in terms of
collision protection, according to what Les Kasten told me some years ago. In
the prewar cars, the purlins do not protrude above the roof, except for at the
ends, whereas on the post war cars, like those of the Vista Dome Twin Cities
Zephyrs and California Zephyrs, they do protrude the lengths of the cars and
are several inches wide.
The cars of the Vista Dome Denver Zephyr were of girder construction. Kasten
said that the purlins were vestigial on those and, if you notice, they are
substantially more narrow.
sjl
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Passenger Car Identification
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:52 AM
REA Box - Branchline makes a fairly good copy of it in HO. The Budd
cars appear to be the pre-war 52 seat coach/chair Zephyr pool cars -
I'm not great on identification from the angles given though. If
so, these are the cars that I'd love to see in HO (available in N).
As for stand-ins, one author in one of the RM magazines suggested the
Athearn cars - they are shorter (but shorter than the prototype - the
prototype's few feet are a lot harder to see than if you put an
Athearn shorty in the consist - but that was thought to be a plus,
because the accentuated shortness would provide a visual clue that
these were shorter cars, and different) and have many of the same
qualities. The roof would be different, as would the total number of
windows. A ConCor AT&SF coach with a Budd roof, or, a Riv Budd
coach are also possibilities, I remember one done from a Riv Budd
car - though that one was one of the parlor cars if I remember correctly.
The biggest change is the roof, and the parlins. On one group, the
parlins disappeared into the roof, on another they were vestigial at best.
The HW car appears to be one of the rebuilt coaches that got a
streamstyled roof, some skirting, and other amenities to allow them
to substitute for Budd cars on various trains. The Bulletin on the
HW coaches & chair cars has a portion and photos of the cars.
At 09:17 AM 9/16/2008, you wrote:
>Cound someone please help me identify the car types/series on this train:
>
>Front view:
>http://railfan44. rrpicturearchive s.net/showPictur e.aspx?id= 804627
>
>Rear view:
>http://railfan44. rrpicturearchive s.net/showPictur e.aspx?id= 804628
>
>What is the first car (some sort of express box)?
>
>The next three cars and the last car are CB&Q cars but do not have
>full skirting. What cars would these be without the full skirting and
>are there good stand-ins in HO?
>
>The next to last car appears to be a heavyweight streamliner. Any idea
>what car type this is?
>
>Any pointers to articles on these cars in BB's, Zephyrs, or books
>would also be of help.
>
>Tom Mack
>Cincinnati, OH
>
>
>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Bob Webber
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