Actually, the D&RGW folios for the SILVER ANTELOPE show the following:
Boiler Water Capacity, Gallons .......2,000
Which leads me to believe that they were set to carry water for
boilers (in adjacent motive power).
In Portrait, there is mention of the first test train, and in it it
is mentioned that the WP ballasted the baggage car by filling the
2,000 water tanks in the baggage car - clearly then, ALL CZ baggage
cars had these tanks.
It would be logical then, that follow-on orders would as well. For
the obvious reasons. Then, naturally, the pumps make a logical
inclusion as well.
At 01:20 PM 6/18/2007, Charlie Vlk wrote:
>Loren-
>You must be right.....the text in Randall's Budd Vol. 1 is incorrect.
>The diagram for the cars covers 903-907 (Silver Bear, Silver
>Buffalo, Silver Coyote, Olympus, and Argo) and
>there is a separate one for 908 Silver Treasure. The issue I have
>(Randall's reprint of a CB&Q Diagram Book) shows
>the car with a big blank space where the Steam Generator would have
>been. The interior is quite different from the
>rest of the cars with the toilet being relocated to the big door end.
>There is a reference on the 903-907 diagram to two "Pumps under
>shelves" but no reference to water tanks or plumbing
>beyond that on either diagram.
>What service was the Silver Treasure intended for with its Steam
>Generator? It seems that the Q wouldn't have installed
>a boiler in a pool service car just on the off chance they had to
>assign freight units to a passenger train.....
>Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aeolus3@aol.com
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] California Zephyr/Nebraska Zephyr/Pool 1949
> Budd Baggage Cars
>
>
> Argo and Olympus didn't have the steam generators installed it
> was the third
> Budd baggage car Silver Treasure. I know the Western Pacific at
> one time had
> "emergency water" spots along the right of way set up for the CZ. Now
> whether this was potable water for the passenger cars or water
> for the F and FP
> steam generators I don't know. Although I've heard many times
> that you wouldn't
> put water in a steam boiler that you wouldn't drink....
>
> I've never seen any referral to the CZ baggage cars having extra
> water tanks
> aboard. One would think that all six would have had them since
> they were all
> in the same service. Funny how a few questions have shown up about the CZ
> cars and you can't always go with the diagrams either. The one
> that comes to
> mind for me is the small service door on the Dorm/Buffet/Domes.
> Some of the
> diagrams published showed the door there and the same type of
> door on the dome
> observations. Other diagrams didn't show either type of car
> having the service
> door. Finally I found a photo of Silver Shop and there was the door. The
> observations didn't have the service door.
>
> The one book I would like to see published would be a book of
> photographs of
> both sides of every Zephyr car the Burlington owned. They could
> be black and
> white photos. Possibly color photos of car interiors. Another
> question that
> came up were the 1952 Budd 10-6 Pullmans built for the CZ. Silver
> Chasm and
> Silver Crag, these two 10-6 Pullmans were unique as they lacked the extra
> three windows on the isle side of the bedrooms the original 1949
> CZ 10-6 Pullmans
> had. Reason being one could open the bedroom door and have sight
> out of both
> sides of the car. If memory serves the 1949 CZ 10-6 Pullmans were the only
> 10-6 Pullmans built with the extra windows either by Budd, ACF, or Pullman
> Standard.
>
> In other news Walther has released their long awaited Pullman
> Standard post
> war 10-6. This car would be a perfect addition to a CZ consist
> running in the
> through Pullman service. Walthers released both a smooth side and
> stainless
> steel fluted car.
>
> Loren Johnson
>
> .
>
>
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