I rode the combined TCZ/EB/NCL several times between St. Paul and
Prairie du Chien in that time frame and viewed it several more. My
memory is that generally the consist started with two or three
baggage cars (sometimes one for each road, but not always) then one
or two TCZ dome coaches. The EB section varied, but the consist I
remember most was the flat top coach followed by two dome
coaches,the great dome and then the diner and two or three
pullmans. At the time I rode the train (on the NCL side) the ranch
car came on/off the EB in St. Paul and the great dome was the EB
lounge car for all passengers.
The NCL was usually dome coach, flat top coach, dome coach, L&C
Travelers Rest, diner, slumbercoach, dome sleeper lounge and the
final flat top pullman.
I always thought it interesting that the NCL carried most of its
consist to Chicago while the EB had some cars pulled from and added
to the consist in St. Paul.
As has been said, the consist varied from day to day and season to
season.
As to the Western Star/Mainstreeter/Blackhawk question. I can't
answer this as well as I only rode it a few times and usally from
Chicago to PDC, but do not remember any NP cars after 68-69 or so
and only one GN sleeper plus the Q cars.
Regards
Bob
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Deke Reiter <deke8706@...> wrote:
>
> I had thought that it was always behind the diner too,
> but the GN Empire site had consist lists for the EB
> from 1955 on and it said that in 1967 the Dome Lounge
> was moved to infront of the diner. It didn't make
> sense to me because I had read that the reason it was
> placed BEHIND the diner in the first place was for the
> sleeping car passengers to be able to wait in the
> lounge until their diner reservation or a table was
> free. Putting it infront of the diner would make them
> walk through the diner to get to the lounge to wait
> for the table. But I got it from another website I was
> looking at too and most of the info I already have for
> the EB is 1955-1960.
>
> I shall continue looking.
> -Dereck
> 206612.tripod.com
>
> --- cy svobodny <ctsvobodny@...> wrote:
>
> > Dome/Lounge(Great Dome) 1390-1395 was behind Diner.
> > It was the First Class(Sleeper) lounge. Traveled a
> > lot St. Paul - Chicago in coach, but usually snuck
> > back to the big dome for postcards and note paper.
> > Sometimes it had a sleeper between diner and lounge.
> >
> > But never remember it ahead of diner. It was really
> > a
> > mess when all three were combined. The Blackhawk
> > in
> > the 50's also had hvw't coaches. CY
> >
> > --- Dereck <deke8706@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anybody have any consists for the combined
> > > Western Star/Black
> > > Hawk for 1968-1971 on the CB&Q? I think by this
> > time
> > > the
> > > Mainstreeter was also combined with them.
> > >
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