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[CBQ] Re: Burlington Route Streamlined Observation Cars

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Subject: [CBQ] Re: Burlington Route Streamlined Observation Cars
From: "michaelvictorg" <michaelvictorg@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:13:43 -0000
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-Greetings group:

I did a little figuring of my own regarding the Q's streamlined 
observation cars, I came up with a total of 27 cars if you include 
the business car and 2 C&S-FW&D cars. As far as I am aware, the 
Burlington didn't own any of the 1950 EMPIRE BUILDER MOUNTAIN
series 
cars. I also noted that there were a total of 4 dining-parlor cars.

1. CB&Q 570  coach-parlor obs ZEPHYR (9900) 1934

2. CB&Q 571  coach-parlor obs TWIN ZEPHYR (9901) 1935
3. CB&Q 102  coach-parlor obs TWIN ZEPHYR (9902) 1935

4. TOM SAWYER  coach-parlor obs MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR 1935

5. JUNO  parlor obs TWIN ZEPHYRS 9904 1936
6. JUPITER  parlor obs TWIN ZEPHYRS 9905 1936

7. SILVER FLASH  parlor-lounge obs DENVER ZEPHYR 1936
8. SILVER STREAK  parlor-lounge obs DENVER ZEPHYR 1936
                        
9. SILVER STAR  dining-parlor obs GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR 1939 

10. SILVER SPIRIT  dining-parlor obs SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR 9909 1940

11. SILVER BOWL  dining-lounge obs C&S-FW&D TEXAS ZEPHYR 1940
12. SILVER TRAY  dining-lounge obs C&S-FW&D TEXAS ZEPHYR 1940 

13. SILVER HOURS  dining-parlor obs AKSARBEN ZEPHYR (east) / 
EXPOSITION FLYER (west) 1940 
14. SILVER FOUNTAIN  dining-parlor obs AKSARBEN ZEPHYR (east) / 
EXPOSITION FLYER (west) 1940

15. MARIAS RIVER  2dbrm-1drm-buf-lounge obs EMPIRE BUILDER 1947

16. SILVER VIEW  parlor dome obs TWIN ZEPHYR 1947 
17. SILVER VISTA  parlor dome obs TWIN ZEPHYR 1947

18. MINNEAPOLIS CLUB  4db-1com-buf-lounge obs NORTH COAST LIMITED 1948
        
19. SILVER HORIZON  3dbrm-1drm-dome-buf-lounge obs CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR 
1949
20. SILVER PENTHOUSE  3dbrm-1drm-dome-buf-lounge obs CALIFORNIA 
ZEPHYR 1949
21. SILVER SOLARIUM  3dbrm-1drm-dome-buf-lounge obs CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR 
1949

22. SILVER LOOKOUT  3dbrm-1drm-dome-buf-lounge obs CALIFORNIA 
ZEPHYR / AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR 1952 

23. BURLINGTON  Business car 1953 

24. SILVER TERRACE  parlor dome obs KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR  1953
25. SILVER TOWER  parlor dome obs KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR 1953 

26. SILVER CHATEAU  parlor-dome-lounge obs DENVER ZEPHYR 1956 
27. SILVER VERANDA       parlor-dome-lounge obs DENVER ZEPHYR 1956

I have a few questions regarding the dining-parlor cars SILVER STAR, 
SILVER SPIRIT, SILVER HOURS and SILVER FOUNTAIN the dining-lounge 
cars SILVER BOWL and SILVER TRAY.  I have not seen floor plans for 
all these cars, only SILVER STAR, did they all possess restrooms 
separating the dining and parlor/ lounge observation section? 
"Café-parlor/lounge observation cars" have always
intrigued and 
confused me.
Were the seats in the observation always sold as first class parlor 
seats? I assume they were on day trains like the GENERAL PERSHING and 
the SILVER STREAK, but what about overnight trains like the TEXAS 
ZEPHYR and the ZEPHYR-ROCKET?
If not were coach passengers allowed to use them as lounge seats? 
Coach passengers were permitted to use the dining facilities, were 
they not?

Thank you, 
Michael
-- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Aeolus3@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/8/2005 3:39:45 PM Central Standard Time, 
> metcalf@a... writes:
> If the Q book has as many miscues (pun intended) as the
> Santa Fe volume, you might want to carefully consider how badly you 
want 
> the book. 
> One would think that since the book on the Burlington Streamlined 
Observation 
> cars is such a narrow focus, the book should be accurate. We're 
talking what 
> about 21 observation cars?
> 
> Zephyrs #9900-9907 - 8 Observations, 3 of the Parlor/Diners
(includes Silver 
> Spirit obs for 9908), 2 1947 Vista Dome Twin Observations, 4 Q 
owned CZ 
> Observations, 2 KCZ Observations, 2 1956 DZ Observations. That 
number goes down when 
> you consider that there's only 10 different obs, other than the 
name. Of 
> course add to that the observation cars for the Empire Builder and 
North Coast 
> Limited that adds another 3 observation cars to the list make it 4 
if you consider 
> the EB "River" then rebuilt to "Coulee". Okay so make it 25 
observation cars. 
> I haven't seen if the FW&D and C&S cars are included in the book. 
In that 
> case we'd add 4, 2 diner obs and the 2 from the 1936 DZ. Brings the 
grand total 
> to 29 cars. Unless I missed 1 or 2 cars. 
> 
> I haven't seen the Santa Fe book but if Hol Wagner is pointing 
out "misques" 
> with that book whoa I'm feeling a bit sad about the pre order of 
the 
> Burlington Book. 
> 
> Loren Johnson
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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